Wraith Worshippers Anonymous - Introduction, Joining And Inactivity, Rules, OOC Chat

[Todd's Pet]

Oh for God's sake!!!!

I NEVER WROTE THE DAMNED STORY!!!!! IGNORE IT!!!!!! FORGET YOUR CONVOLUTED AU THEORIES!!!!!

If you're so tied up in SGA "canon" then there's no problem with me having the original Steve - BECAUSE HE'S DEAD!!!!!!!!! I'll live happily ever after with my wraith corpse, thanks!

When I have time over lunch I'll delete the posts that caused so much offense - even though the one that seemed to give Ciannwn so much of a problem was one where I was trying to be NICE by congratulating her on her maiden flight!!!!!!!!!!

Then you can all go back to whatever it was you were all doing in the first place. I'm sorry I spoiled your game - HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO TELL YOU ALL TO FORGET THE STORY EVER HAPPENED??????

[Draco-Stellaris]

Sorry TP but this is no longer about your story. It is already far past that point.
The story was apparantly just the drop that made the barrel full.

[Isolde]

Quite frankly Isolde you haven't even been around long enough to even know the history or behavior to which we are referring to!! I would suggest if you don't have the facts, that you stay out of it. What I'm hearing is that you like this person but don't like this other person. And since you don't have any facts except that the person you liked gave you one of her Wraith, you throw around a lot of insults instead.

*amused* What a lot of nonsense. I believe I was talking about the current state of affairs, and not referring to anything that is alleged to have happened before. However, I feel certain you would be more than willing to provide evidence in the form of links, if proof is required?

As for not liking a 'person', how did you infer that from what I wrote, or are you paranoid also? 'Liking' ciannwn is not the issue. I also like toast, strawberries, Wraith and chocolate, but I can't claim to know ciannwn, or any of you, other than in a very general way. I merely pointed out something that seemed very unfair, that looked like scape-goating, a state of affairs I can't, and won't, tolerate no matter who it is being applied to. ciannwn was castigated by both you and TP when she wasn't around to answer your accusations, and that is grossly unjust.

[Todd's Pet]

Ciannwn is conspicuous by her absence... perhaps she's highly amused by all of this as she's finally getting what she wanted all along...

I am starting to feel picked on and victimised here.

So, Isolde, I am supposed to share Steve but none of you guys have to share your "adopted" wraith? How long have all of you had your wraith all to yourself? It's good wnough for you but not good enough for me, then, is that what you;re saying?
You were the ones who RP-ed Steve as being possessive in the AWTT in the first place!
Right now I want to go away and hope it all blows over but you won't let me - you just keep poking me with a stick every now and then and I just keep getting madder and madder and more and more depressed.
I even feel like I want to throw all my stories away and never write anything ever again, this has made me feel so bad.

I'm sorry, I may be being particularly dense here, but I honestly don't know what I've done wrong.

I've come on this OOC and apologised several times and offered to remove or take back whatever I've done that was so offensive. This is still not enough for you. I don't know what more you expect me to do

[Isolde]

Ciannwn is conspicuous by her absence... perhaps she's highly amused by all of this as she's finally getting what she wanted all along...

Where's the evidence? Also, she already stated she wasn't able to be online due to issues with her broadband connection, and had to be on dial-up.

I am starting to feel picked on and victimised here.

That's unfortunate, but this isn't about you now, TP, but an attack and unsubstantiated accusations.

So, Isolde, I am supposed to share Steve but none of you guys have to share your "adopted" wraith? How long have all of you had your wraith all to yourself? It's good wnough for you but not good enough for me, then, is that what you;re saying?
You were the ones who RP-ed Steve as being possessive in the AWTT in the first place!

So you don't get any 'action' with other characters? Shawn and Craig don't count, then? Anyway, that's beside the point, and just plain daft, as well as coming over as childish. If I recall correctly, you have ample 'rights' to many of the characters.

This is simply ridiculous.

Right now I want to go away and hope it all blows over but you won't let me - you just keep poking me with a stick every now and then and I just keep getting madder and madder and more and more depressed.
I even feel like I want to throw all my stories away and never write anything ever again, this has made me feel so bad.

That would be your choice, and emotional blackmail is not appreciated here either.

[Todd's Pet]

Where's the evidence? Also, she already stated she wasn't able to be online due to issues with her broadband connection, and had to be on dial-up.



That's unfortunate, but this isn't about you now, TP, but an attack and unsubstantiated accusations.



So you don't get any 'action' with other characters? Shawn and Craig don't count, then? Anyway, that's beside the point, and just plain daft, as well as coming over as childish. If I recall correctly, you have ample 'rights' to many of the characters.

This is simply ridiculous.



That would be your choice, and emotional blackmail is not appreciated here either.

Isolde, like SW said, you don;t know the background to this - this issue goes WAY deeper and way further back than you are aware of.
I'm PM-ing you because I am REALLY angry now

[Isolde]

Isolde, like SW said, you don;t know the background to this - this issue goes WAY deeper and way further back than you are aware of.
I'm PM-ing you because I am REALLY angry now

Off you go, then.

[Todd's Pet]

I'm sorry, I PM'd you the same thing twice - please ignore the first one.

[ciannwn]

It seems to me that this is what you have been attempting to do ever since you decided on the uberhive that Boris' hive was in control and tried to shove Todd out!

The Uberhive as the AWTT was called ended up with a planet. Living on this planet were hippies in a Hippie Commune, Pirates in the Pirate Camp and Scottish Wraith in the Hill Fort.

The original hive ship with all the potted plants might have been Todd's originally but you and TP took Todd to the Steve And Bob Thunk Thread so he was no longer role played in the All Wraith Thunk Thread.

All I did was have Boris bring his own hive ship to orbit the planet. The Wraith who were still on the potted plants hive moved to the his ship. Boris ran his own hive but he didn't have any authority over the Planet communities. Ellia was in charge of the Hippies, the Pirates didn't seem to have a leader and Connolly emerged as the chieftain of the Scottish Wraith.

The original hive ship with all the potted plants was still there so you and TP could have brought Todd back at any time.

[ciannwn]

Game Discussion Point

This is what the game discussion point is all about.


1: TP's hive is part of the CO Hive role playing thread.

The Chill-Out Hive is a very specialised role playing thread because it's associated with the game world but not a part of it as such. It's run by Todd's Pet and Starry Waters.

Until recently there was never any plot going on in there - it was just potted plant stuff and chilling out. Steve and Todd were the same characters who had been transferred from the original thunk threads.

2: The game world proper is the one covered by The Planet/Boris's Hive/Kenny's Hive role playing threads. In this game world Atlantis has been in Pegasus all the time etc.

3: We now get to TP's hive. The following is fine for the Chill-Out Hive which isn't part of the game world. proper What makes the TP hive scenario completely different from the game world proper scenario is this -

When TP rescued Todd from Atlantis on Earth they discovered that she has the ancient gene, so the hive can be flown either in the usual Wraith manner, or TP can take over and fly it with the additional Ancient control chair. The hive is ZPM powered and therefore capable of hyper drive flight.

4: We now get to Todd's Pet's new character -

Sethiroph (Todd's Pet's original character) Sethiroph was the original Commander of TP's hive and was loyal to Todd as Supreme Commander of the Alliance – at least he was until Todd decided to gift his hive to TP!

His background is tied into the CO Hive/TP Hive scenario which has become very different to the game world proper scenario covered by The Planet/Boris's Hive/Kenny's Hive. This is fine as long as he stays in the COHive/TP Hive thread. If he ever gets brought into the other role playing threads of the game world proper he's entered a scenario where Atlantis was never on Earth etc.

5: The game world proper covered by the The Planet/Boris's Hive/Kenny's Hive is the role playing home of Draco-Stellaris, Draygon, Isolde, Mariellelita, PleiadesAltariel, WraithCat and myself. Should we be expected to rewrite our own game world background scenario to accommodate characters/background etc from the CO Hive which isn't supposed to be part of the game world proper?

I've tried to suggest ways of fitting the TP Hive scenario into the game world proper scenario. I've put these suggestions in OOC Chat so everyone can reject them, modify them, add ideas of their own etc.

1: A bit of a rewrite to the game world proper background scenario. Our Atlantis was on Earth for a while and Todd took its Ancient control chair. Daniel Jackson found a manuscript with clues leading SG1 to another Ancient installation in the Milky Way galaxy where they found some fully charged ZPMs and another Ancient control chair. The chair was installed on Atlantis in place of the one Todd took and Atlantis was returned to Pegasus. The game world proper history started after Atlantis had come back. SW has the power to channel cosmic energy and resurrect the dead - this kind of thing fits a game world scenario with mythological creatures and TPD-123 which is based on Terry Pratchett's Discworld. Sethiroph and TP Hive material could then be included in the game world proper scenario without undermining a game world which was built up by 7 players between them,. TP was offended by this suggestion so I tried another one.

2: TP's Hive is from an alternate universe along with its history and characters associated with it - TP, SW, Todd, Steve, Bob and all the unnamed Wraith who were also resurrected on Atlantis. TP Hive material could then be included in the game world proper without conflicting with what 7 players built up between them. Todd's Pet and Starry Waters are both offended by this one.

This is a game discussion point to be put to the vote by players. There are 3 options to choose from.

1: The TP Hive plot remains exclusive to the CO Hive thread and none of it ever enters the game world proper. This includes the hive, it's Ancient control chair and Sethiroph. If Steve, Todd and Bob are brought into the game world proper we view them as being exactly the same role playing characters who started out in the thunk threads.

2: The game world proper background has a minor rewrite as in Suggestion 1 to accommodate the TP Hive material.

3: TP's Hive and all the characters associated with it are from an alternate universe.

We already have votes in from Todd's Pet and Starry Waters. I shall remain neutral so what turns out to be the majority decision will be decided by Draco-Stellaris, Draygon, Isolde, Mariellelita, PleiadesAltariel and WraithCat.

The decision will not affect what goes on in the Chill Out Hive role playing thread because TP and SW can do whatever they like in there. The vote is purely for what happens with the game world proper covered by The Planet/Kenny's Hive/Boris's Hive role playing threads.

[ciannwn]

Going back to the AWTT.

Another community of Wraith entered the AWTT. This was Hive 95 and the ship and all it's characters belong to TechnoWraith. Hive 95 is ruled by Queen Amadala so Boris wasn't in charge of that any more than he was in charge of The Hippies, The Pirates and The Scottish Wraith.

As the Uberhive as the AWTT was known ended up with 5 different communities which each had their own leader, could somebody please explain to me how Boris and his hive ship were supposed to be in control of the entire All Wraith Thunk Thread.

I haven't included the On Board Hive 95 role playing thread in all this because it's an experiment. Hive 95 is very much a part of the game world proper but it might go back to being a hive which does its own thing in the Pegasus galaxy and just turns up when TechnoWraith has time to play.

[Todd's Pet]

Sethiroph (Todd's Pet's original character) Sethiroph was the original Commander of TP's hive and was loyal to Todd as Supreme Commander of the Alliance – at least he was until Todd decided to gift his hive to TP!

His background is tied into the CO Hive/TP Hive scenario which has become very different to the game world proper scenario covered by The Planet/Boris's Hive/Kenny's Hive. This is fine as long as he stays in the COHive/TP Hive thread. If he ever gets brought into the other role playing threads of the game world proper he's entered a scenario where Atlantis was never on Earth etc.

This is what's bothering me about all this convoluted theory stuff, Ciannwn: that very big small word: IF

I cannot be expected to write fanfic while thinking of a gazillion and one possible things that might happen in an infinte number of AU universes! MY brain just doesn't work that way!!

My OC has not taken one single step outside the COH, nor will he ever - we ALL AGREED that the COH was SEPARATE from your "game world proper"!!!!

I just do not get this! What do I have to do, guys?? PLEASE, just tell me what I have to do to fix this farce!

[Todd's Pet]

There isn't a problem so far as I can see, but you are horrendously possessive about what amounts to a silly crush. Now, I get it, I really do, but I also realise other women are extraordinarily interested in this guy, and it is, to me, great because I can share my fan-girlish notions. But for you, TP, it is really serious, and you come over as highly antagonistic about a fictional character. I doubt that is your intent, but it was extremely offputting, in my experience, when I first began posting here.

WTF? They are only AU because of what has been posted and written. Weren't all the rules agreed, democratically, by everybody, or is that in my imagination? When did ciannwn suddenly become Mussolini, because all I've seen is somebody attempting to bring order from chaos? Running an RPG is a time consuming task, so is setting it up, and somebody has to take charge. Usually it's the mug with the most time on their hands and most experience, so as far as I'm concerned, ciannwn can keep the job because it sucks.

Anyhoo, ladies, I would suggest you both look to your own isolationist behaviour and utter competitiveness with regard to the characters you've mentioned before casting aspersions. Crockett was a member of ciannwn's posse and yet, now I have him because the only one she really cares about is Boris.

Right, now I've really put some backs up, I will go to bed. Good night.

IMHO there was never any chaos in the first place - its' worth repeating this:

THE COH WAS AGREED TO BE SEPARATE FROM THE RPG AND RUN DIFFERENTLY AND NOTHING I SAID CHANGED THAT

The problem me and SW have with the AU idea is that every time Ciannwn suggests it - and she has been trying to do this for some time now - is that it's always OUR wraith she wants to be AU!! Why can't YOUR wraith be AU??

At the risk of repeating myself: I DO NOT SEE THE DIFFERENCE between me keeping Steve (and I don't btw, I share him with SW) and Isolde keeping Crockett, or Dray keeping Michael, or Afa with Spike, or DS with Tommy and Rhys, or Mar with Kenny... the list goes on.

WHY is it ok for you guys but NOT ok for me and SW?????????


Why is Ciannwn so utterly determined that me and SW do not have the "real thing"???

[Starry Waters]

Going back to the AWTT.



As the Uberhive as the AWTT was known ended up with 5 different communities which each had their own leader, could somebody please explain to me how Boris and his hive ship were supposed to be in control of the entire All Wraith Thunk Thread.

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In the beginning there was only the uberhive (and the Kenny thead and Steve thread). Then you created the planet. WE did not vote for the planet, we just adapted and accepted it. They YOU start role playing one of my characters (Eddie) during a Greek festival. I objected to it and said no, he was with me and that had to be a clone or something. Then you got angry and decided that all wraith should be on automatic recall and I told you no again that he stayed with me. Ever since that incident you have been at my throat. So you got angry once agan and created Boris' hive. (We didn't vote on that either!!) YOu just shoved Todd and the uberhive out of the picture and started calling the thread the AWTT. Your response to me was, "Well, you weren't playing Todd in control anyway and someone needed to be." So we just got tired of it and most of us took off to Steve's hive. ANd then you followed us over there and tried to cause trouble. WE ignored you and eventually you calmed down and tried to make up. At that point, most members moved back the uberhive to play. YOu also went off and brought back an AU Todd. I didn't have a problem with that. Yet you continued to attack me over there and say insulting things about my wraith (in particular Eddie) so that I rarely visited the uberhive at that point.

This has always been personal about you not liking me. And it's always been about you having characters that are not yours. We have always just adapted and accepted changes that came into our fantasy world. That included the island, Boris' hive, Dray's wraith, Hive 95, etc. No one was ever forced to change their characters or denied their vision. That is the way it has always been. Until now.

[Todd's Pet]

What SW has written above is an accurate account of how things happened. All of the things mentioned above by SW were foisted upon us by Ciannwn - long before we ever had what you are all calling a "democracy". SW and I did not make a fuss over Ciannwn imposing these things on us, we simply adapted and improvised.

Remember, "democracies" are often not what they appear to be under the surface...