I was going to watch Star Trek: Voyager tonight, but then I thought... why not Stargate: Universe? I don't want to be half way through the series and then it poof away. When I first saw "Air," Parts 1&2 were shown as a TV movie, concluded with Part 3. Netflix has Parts 1&2 split up as two episodes. Am I going to be missing scenes? If so, fill me in, folks. I'll check back after I see the episodes. Does Part 3 end on a cliffhanger? I can't remember.
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Originally posted by Livestick View PostI've never watched the ones on Netflix, but I'm pretty sure they should be the same as the ones that were originally aired on Syfy.
Originally posted by Livestick View PostAnd, no, part three doesn't end on a cliffhanger, although it does plant seeds for future episodes.
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Don't be too excited about season1, it's not great and if I'm honest I fell asleep on the sofa a few times. The first 3 are ok (Air 1,2,3) and Light is pretty good (5) but 4 and the others could be a bit of a drag. Nothing like Stargate SG1 or Atlantis.
Season 1 pretty much just sets up the show, the characters background etc. It doesn't really get going until season 2.. unfortunately by that point the viewers had voted with their feet and season 3 never happened. Season 2 however was superior to season 1 with a lot more excitement and gripping viewing.
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An entire season to set up the show? What happened to simply setting everything up in the first episode? That has worked for every show I've watched thus far. I mean, three episodes (Air) should give me all the setup I need. I'm starting the show now. I'll let you know what I think later tonight.
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Originally posted by Snowman37 View PostAn entire season to set up the show?
By the time you get towards the end of S2 its just started to get really good. They had many possibilities for future scripts, ideas that could have been revisited, technology that could have been used for alternate things etc. Cancelling the show really trashed a lot of future enjoyment for everyone.
I blame Brad Wright and Jo Mallozi for deciding to do their own artistic thing to satisfy their own desire to pat themselves on the back for doing something different. They already had a winning formula with SG but they decided to turn that on its head and wrecked it in the process.
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I just finished "Air, Part 1." I did not like the nonlinear storytelling. Will that continue into Part 2, or was it merely limited to this first episode? Is the whole show going to be a flashback frenzy, or are they just using flashbacks to get the ball rolling? It was nice to open the show with everyone arriving on Destiny, but couldn't they have just stayed in the flashback until the show caught up to Destiny? Bouncing back and forth was really annoying. Everyone seems interesting so far. After perfect Carter and terrified-selfish-narcissistic McKay, we've got a different kind of scientist. Rush seems to care about no one but himself. He's going to Destiny, and he's willing to sacrifice people to get there. Then there's Scott who can't keep his pants zipped. Was a gratuitous sex scene really necessary in a family show? I fast forwarded. I do like the Destiny, and I do like how everyone evacuated to Destiny instead of the Alpha Site. I hope there will be major consequences for what Rush has done. Eli Wallace seems like a pointless character. He's an unemployed college-dropout gamer who solved a puzzle. OK... Why is he there again? In my experience, gamers aren't all that bright as they spend all of their time playing video games rather than reading and learning. Knowledge is acquired, and you don't acquire it playing video games all day. If the show drops the flashbacks, I'll watch at least four more episodes. I want to see where "Air" goes, and the "Darkness"/"Light" two-parter seems interesting.
Originally posted by Energizer_Vs_ZPM View PostThat or they really wanted to turn SG into a drama.
I've got to be honest I found it hard to stay with it (I did though out of loyalty) but I didn't really enjoy it until the later episodes of S1 and then S2.
Originally posted by Energizer_Vs_ZPM View PostBy the time you get towards the end of S2 its just started to get really good. They had many possibilities for future scripts, ideas that could have been revisited, technology that could have been used for alternate things etc. Cancelling the show really trashed a lot of future enjoyment for everyone.
Originally posted by Energizer_Vs_ZPM View PostI blame Brad Wright and Jo Mallozi for deciding to do their own artistic thing to satisfy their own desire to pat themselves on the back for doing something different. They already had a winning formula with SG but they decided to turn that on its head and wrecked it in the process.
I'll post more once I've seen "Air, Part 2."
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Originally posted by Snowman37 View PostI just finished "Air, Part 1." I did not like the nonlinear storytelling.
Originally posted by Snowman37 View PostWill that continue into Part 2, or was it merely limited to this first episode?
Originally posted by Snowman37 View PostIs the whole show going to be a flashback frenzy, or are they just using flashbacks to get the ball rolling?
Originally posted by Snowman37 View PostIt was nice to open the show with everyone arriving on Destiny, but couldn't they have just stayed in the flashback until the show caught up to Destiny? Bouncing back and forth was really annoying.
Originally posted by Snowman37 View PostEveryone seems interesting so far. After perfect Carter and terrified-selfish-narcissistic McKay, we've got a different kind of scientist. Rush seems to care about no one but himself. He's going to Destiny, and he's willing to sacrifice people to get there.
Originally posted by Snowman37 View PostThen there's Scott who can't keep his pants zipped. Was a gratuitous sex scene really necessary in a family show? I fast forwarded.
Originally posted by Snowman37 View PostI do like the Destiny, and I do like how everyone evacuated to Destiny instead of the Alpha Site. I hope there will be major consequences for what Rush has done.
Originally posted by Snowman37 View PostEli Wallace seems like a pointless character. He's an unemployed college-dropout gamer who solved a puzzle. OK... Why is he there again? In my experience, gamers aren't all that bright as they spend all of their time playing video games rather than reading and learning. Knowledge is acquired, and you don't acquire it playing video games all day.
Originally posted by Snowman37 View PostIf the show drops the flashbacks, I'll watch at least four more episodes. I want to see where "Air" goes, and the "Darkness"/"Light" two-parter seems interesting.
Originally posted by Snowman37 View PostThis. It's not just space shows that are gone from TV, it's the action-adventure ones too. Everything has to be a darkly lit drama with angry characters who whisper or yell all the time. Guess who jumped on the band wagon?
Originally posted by Snowman37 View PostThat's probably why the show got cancelled. It lost it's audience over the coarse of the first season. Nonfans do not watch out of loyalty, they watch because the show is entertaining. If it's boring, they change the channel.
Originally posted by Snowman37 View PostA show has to be good right out of the gate. If you're taking an entire year to set things up, you're pacing must be horrifically slow. Cancelling the show didn't trash future enjoyment for everyone. Painfully slow pacing did.
Originally posted by Snowman37 View PostTheir attitude to the fans was outright offense. "Our show was cancelled, because ya'll didn't like it replacing SGA." Uh... no. The show was cancelled, because it failed to capture an audience. SGA fans boycotting wouldn't have made a difference, because casual viewers wouldn't have cared. Changing the formula didn't kill the show, I think it was the new formula. Had the show been an action-adventure-mystery, it could have soared. As a emo drama in space, it failed. I can't comment more as I've just watched one episode.
Originally posted by Snowman37 View PostI'll post more once I've seen "Air, Part 2."
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Originally posted by Energizer_Vs_ZPM View PostCan't remember but I think it continues to part 4 and maybe even 5. After that I have limited knowledge as some of the shows were so slow and boring I fell asleep trying to watch them.
They do disappear but I can't remember when. Mid way through S1 the producers were told it was being canned after S2 so they bucked up their attitude a bit and started to get on with it instead of playing around.
At the point the SG franchise was canned they started selling off the props from SGA and SG1 so that when SGU finished there could literally be no return. No magical return to the SGC for the crew because there is no SGC left - the props are gone! No rescue by Atlantis.. everything there is gone too! If you search google images you'll see bits of the SGA gate on someones wall.
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Originally posted by Snowman37 View PostAn entire season to set up the show? What happened to simply setting everything up in the first episode?
Just because you don't like the setup doesn't mean they failed to include it.
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Originally posted by OutandAboot View PostWhy are you even watching the show? You clearly don't like serialized storytelling and probably need every episode to have a self-contained story and a nice wrap-up in the end.
Compare this to Season 1 of Lost which managed to perfectly capture the characters mainly because of the situation they were in, it was commonplace in that they were trying to survive on the island but it gave them so many ways to express it, the marital issues, the faith issues, the dependency issues and the moral issues; in fact it was those issues that allowed the characters to grow and to hook an audience. SGU didn't fare well in that most of it's action took place on a ship which only led to a few things; mutiny, survival, command issues and of course, the requisite sci-fi action. It was the lack of focus on matters pertaining to life and just letting the characters do their thing that hindered the characters, there were so many characters that had potential but instead they consistently played up the Young v. Rush elements and the "we're not supposed to be here" card at every moment. Additionally; the edge, sex and insistence of change all served to drive viewers away... These moments were easily fixable (and they're mostly gone by Season 2) but for some reason they're included in Season 1 and they really bring the season down.
Originally posted by OutandAboot View PostThe setup is "This is the wrong people in the wrong place. We need to get this people home"
Just because you don't like the setup doesn't mean they failed to include it.
There are many fans out there who do predict this as the ending, some even draw it out just to get to this moment. The many fans believe that there is a right crew, a more stable group of people who can fulfill it's mission but answer me this; are the wrong people really wrong, did Rush dial the Destiny because he wanted to prove it worked, or did he do it because the ship was calling him? To me the setup is the mission, the attempt to find out the message in the background radiation. It's interesting to me because it's like an experiment, a group of people who have nothing in common, personal flaws but a specific skillset learning to work together for the greater good, to find a common ground and put the past behind them; each person serving as a cog and the subsequent cogs eventually finding out what lies beneath the radiation. This is the ultimate character study, to see a group of people faced with a mission, whether to accept it or to still call Earth their home. It's that dilemma, that ultimate purpose that makes it so compelling and if the show focused on that than it would of been successful (heck, introducing it in the first season would draw viewers and keep them in) but alas, it didn't get expanded on.
Also Snowman37: Episodes you should be watching out for are "Life" and "Human", both are episodes which dive deep into their characters, represent the mood of the show as a whole and generally represent the best of SGU. "Life" being sort of a snapshot of what happens on the Destiny everyday and "Human" being a door opener for Rush showcasing all of the interactions/flaws that will make you doubt who Rush really is.Back from the grave.
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