Luciene alliance.

[Gatz]

I'd still like an explanation as to why the LA don't just destroy Earth with cloaked cargo ships full of nukes/naquadah bombs.

Bad writing, because that's the smartest thing the LA could do.

[Shadow_7]

I don't think the LA thinks much of earth. It's only one planet where the stargate and most gate tech is still a secret. The LA have hundreds of planets. A drug (corn) cartel, and all sorts of economies of scale. Enough so that even if every active military personel could fly and had a 302 to fly, they'd probably only take out 5% of the LA before the earth ships were otherwise depleated. Kind of like how the NYPD has more employees than the entire coast guard in the US. And how a single major city like Atlanta has more people than the entire .mil of the .gov for the .us. Not that sheer numbers are any sign of superiority, but they help in terms of delaying tactics and desperate times scenarios.

And then there's that enemy of my enemy is my friend thing. For the Ga'uld and Ori and whatever else. And with certain Allies (Jaffa), they probably have reasons to let earth be. For now anyway. Although with the killing of Kiva and the others, there could be some fallout back on earth.

[Uncle Tobias]

I'd always assumed that the Ha'taks 'inherited' by the Lucian Alliance were ones that Anubis had upgraded to be Asgard proof like in season 5(?), and that's what leaves them a threat to Earth ships.

But at a guess it's something the Revolution movie would have covered had it been made as originally intended.

[morbosfist]

Not all of the Ha'taks they stole were so upgraded. Netan had such a Ha'tak, but Tenat clearly didn't (otherwise it would have been a mutual kill).

[Ed]

I wish there was a visible difference between anubis hatak and normal ones because it does explain away almost every inconsistency

two upgraded hatak killed a beliskner so its not impossible that three can go toe to toe with an upgraded 304 maybe like five could kill one.

[Ser Scot A Ellison]

Gatz,

Bad writing, because that's the smartest thing the LA could do.

Why destroy the Earth when they can hold it hostage with the cloaked bombs instead. Detonate one or two to demonstrate they are there then warn cloaked bombs are in every major city. Easy conquest and access to Earth's Asguard tech.

As to the upgraded Ha'taks given the zeil with which the LA is pursuing the 9th chevron I have to imagine they've got their own version of the SG-1 program to find and utilize alien tech. The tech they've found has been incorporated into their ships improving their effectiveness against the 304s. If Earth can advance as far as it has in the SG universe in 20 years with the resources of a top secret search program of a single planet (and for a time a single nation on that planet) how much more effective will the LA searches be when they've the resources of quite a few planets to draw from?

[Stormtrooper]

The thing is, even upgraded Ha'taks should be no match for Daedalus-class ships retrofitted with Asgard plasma beam weapons.

[captain Qball]

The thing is, even upgraded Ha'taks should be no match for Daedalus-class ships retrofitted with Asgard plasma beam weapons.

Why not? Anubis has asgard weapon resistant ships back in SG-1 season 5. I got the feeling the beam weapons from Unending were more designed to work against Ori technology (and incidentally worked well against the similar replicator ships in Atlantis). Further more, we have no idea what kind of technology has been upgraded on the ships.

[morbosfist]

Anubis had shields resistant to Asgard ion weapons. That's a far cry from plasma beams. Anubis Ha'taks were killed just as easily as any other type of Ha'tak, or Ba'al wouldn't have needed subtlety to get by. Then or now, no Ha'tak could stand up against a 304 if it had beam weapons.

[Ser Scot A Ellison]

Morbo,

Again, we don't know what technological advances the LA has made in the intervening years. As such, perhaps, they've caught up with Earth Tech?

[morbosfist]

It's simply ridiculous that they could. Earth didn't just gradually get to where they are, they got an absolutely massive boost from the Asgard. There's no way the Lucian Alliance could, in a mere few years, gain technological advancements of equal standing without the aid of some very powerful friends, which they do not have.

More to the point, where would they even get access to tech remotely as powerful? The Ancients didn't leave ships around in the Milky Way.

[Ser Scot A Ellison]

Morbo,

The Milky Way's a big place. Who knows what they've found in their exponentially larger SG program and who they've made contact with?

[morbosfist]

They don't have a Stargate program. They have a crime syndicate. They exploit underdeveloped worlds like the Goa'uld before them. They don't have the resources the SGC does (all the addresses to every world) nor do they have the same kind of expertise. You keep trying to treat them as something they're not.

The Ancients are the pinnacle of technology, and current Earth technology is superior in terms of offense and defense. The Alliance has stolen Goa'uld tech, and nothing else.

[Ser Scot A Ellison]

Morbo,

They have the resources of multiple planets without the necessity of keeping the program secret like the SGC does. You insist upon underestimating them despite their ability to pull off a connection to Destiny and the further evidence of their Ha'Taks standing up to the Hammond. Obvisously, what they've accomplished is not "impossible". I'm simply attempting to postulate a rational explanation for what they have accomplished.

[morbosfist]

Their ability to pull off a connection to Destiny was entirely stolen. They recreated the Icarus project using Telford's intel. They didn't do the work, and couldn't solve the problem themselves.

The "multiple planets" the Alliance controls are little more than farm worlds for growing kassa from what we've seen. The Icarus recreation was the first decent evidence of planetary research they've ever shown.

To the battle, we don't know the condition of the Hammond at the time, since we never see it use plasma beams. If it had, they'd have lost. Plus, it was a sneak attack.

I'd give them credit if anything they had was done by themselves, but it's not. From start to finish, the only thing they've ever done that was entirely in-house was kassa. The rest is stolen. Human tech is, too, but at least they reverse-engineered it and made their own ships.