'Awakening' (203) General Discussion

[morbosfist]

You say you know Rush's motivation. ok. Let's play this out according to YOUR assumptions.
Rush stops power transfer. That's all he does.
Then, the following would happen.
Young sends more scientists and military personnel to try and start the power flow from Seeder Ship to Destiny.
No danger of losing power from Destiny to Seeder Ship means they have all the time required to try.
Rush, no longer being the only one at the control room, may not be able to stop it from happening.
Eventually, they get the power flow to flow from Seeder Ship to Destiny.
Destiny dials Earth, connects, everyone goes home.

In another words, all Rush would accomplish with the stoppage of power flow would be to delay Destiny connecting to Earth. That is not enough.

His desire to keep the crew would have to lead him to reverse the power flow. Nothing else would accomplish this. That's what you're not getting.

What "more scientists"? Eli, Volker, Brody, Park, and Rush are the bottom line. They're the only scientists there. Assuming Rush stopped it, which I will admit as a possibility but doubt, reversing the flow would have made it impossible for him to get away. He'd have to stay there to fix it, or come back to the control room to fix it, and be watched either way. Your scenario would only play out in failure for Rush.

[Misfits]

What "more scientists"? Eli, Volker, Brody, Park, and Rush are the bottom line. They're the only scientists there. Assuming Rush stopped it, which I will admit as a possibility but doubt, reversing the flow would have made it impossible for him to get away. He'd have to stay there to fix it, or come back to the control room to fix it, and be watched either way. Your scenario would only play out in failure for Rush.

Eli has shown that he can figure out anything and everything Rush has done so far.
Regardless, Volker and Brody could have been re-dispatched back to the control room, in Seeder Ship, in order to facilitate the power transfer.
Notice how Rush wanted to go solo at all times? Things that he could not do with other scientists around.
Bottom line, stopping the power flow would not accomplish his goal.
Only reversing the power flow would force the un-docking. That's the point.

[morbosfist]

Eli has shown that he can figure out anything and everything Rush has done so far.
Regardless, Volker and Brody could have been re-dispatched back to the control room, in Seeder Ship, in order to facilitate the power transfer.
Notice how Rush wanted to go solo at all times? Things that he could not do with other scientists around.
Bottom line, stopping the power flow would not accomplish his goal.
Only reversing the power flow would force the un-docking. That's the point.

The point is you're fixated on the goal, and have no explanation as to the means. Explain how Rush was going to reverse the power flow and manage to get his way.

[Misfits]

The point is you're fixated on the goal, and have no explanation as to the means. Explain how Rush was going to reverse the power flow and manage to get his way.

Fixation on the goal is everything.
It is the reason Rush dialed the 9th chevron address in the first place,
it is the reason Rush foiled the IOA plan to dial Earth with the power from the sun,
it is the reason Rush framed Young for Murder of Sgt. Spencer,
it is the reason Rush sat in the neuro-interface chair,
it is the reason Rush cast the blame of Destiny's frequent stops on Cloe,
it is the reason Rush set-up the ruse of the chair curing Cloe.

Rush is set on controlling Destiny. He needs a crew for support. There's no way he will let go of the crew. Whatever it takes, that's his motto.

If the power from Seeder ship is allowed to flow to Destiny, the crew goes home.
What's he going to do? Stay and be all by himself on Destiny?

Stopping the power flow only delays the eventual gate connection to Earth.
Only a power flow from Destiny to Seeder Ship, and the inability to stop it, would mandate the need for the un-docking of the ships.

That is what happened. Rush got what he wanted. Ergo, the story continues.

[morbosfist]

You can go on about motivation all you want, it doesn't make a bit of difference. Fact is, Rush could not have done it, and no amount of wishing on your part will change that. You cannot provide a reasonable explanation as to how, or the means by which he would succeed in his evil plan should he have actually tried.

[Misfits]

You can go on about motivation all you want, it doesn't make a bit of difference. Fact is, Rush could not have done it, and no amount of wishing on your part will change that. You cannot provide a reasonable explanation as to how, or the means by which he would succeed in his evil plan should he have actually tried.

Fact is YOU don't know that, and no amount of wishing on your part will change that.
YOU are the one ignoring the facts.
Fact: Rush is a brilliant scientist.
Fact: Rush is an excellent computer programmer.
Fact: Rush has a very detailed knowledge of Ancient systems.
Fact: Rush has a defined motivation.
Fact: Rush had the opportunity.
Fact: Rush solved the situation where he got exactly what he wanted.

These are the facts. Because you don't have the reasoned common sense to see the writing on the wall, doesn't mean that it didn't happen that way. It only means that you can't read the writing on the wall.

[morbosfist]

There is no writing on the wall, only the need for you to demonize Rush by making him responsible for something he could not have been responsible for. That is the only fact here. You want Rush to be guilty, but since you can't justify your belief you cling to ridiculous belief that motivation equals guilt.

[Misfits]

There is no writing on the wall, only the need for you to demonize Rush by making him responsible for something he could not have been responsible for. That is the only fact here. You want Rush to be guilty, but since you can't justify your belief you cling to ridiculous belief that motivation equals guilt.

There is writing on the wall. You just can't read it.
As I wrote on other posts, I like the Rush character.
His, 'Whatever it takes', determination is fascinating.
I don't have to make him more guilty than he is. He's doing a damn good job all by himself.
It seems that you want to defend Rush at any cost, unfortunately, he's really making it hard on you. But you go right ahead and keep on fantasizing.

[morbosfist]

There is writing on the wall. You just can't read it.
As I wrote on other posts, I like the Rush character.
His, 'Whatever it takes', determination is fascinating.
I don't have to make him more guilty than he is. He's doing a damn good job all by himself.
It seems that you want to defend Rush at any cost, unfortunately, he's really making it hard on you. But you go right ahead and keep on fantasizing.

Yet you're trying to make him guilty right now. You want him to be responsible for sabotaging the power, but you can't prove it. You cite motive without evidence, and point to non-existent writing as supposed corroboration for these facts you've conjured out of nowhere. Fact is, Rush didn't do it. It's plain as day.

[Misfits]

Yet you're trying to make him guilty right now. You want him to be responsible for sabotaging the power, but you can't prove it. You cite motive without evidence, and point to non-existent writing as supposed corroboration for these facts you've conjured out of nowhere. Fact is, Rush didn't do it. It's plain as day.

You sound like a person standing so close to the tree which makes you incapable of seeing the forest.
Try stepping back a little and take a wide view of what's in front of you, not just in front of your nose.

[morbosfist]

You sound like a person standing so close to the tree which makes you incapable of seeing the forest.
Try stepping back a little and take a wide view of what's in front of you, not just in front of your nose.

Again, you're trying to see what's not there. There is no evidence of Rush sabotaging the ship, only this scenario you've constructed in your mind where Rush must always be guilty, where every action must be his fault, and you see things from that rather than for what they are. You see a tree and assume there must be a forest behind it, as it were.

Rather than go on and on about how I'm not seeing it, step up and prove your point. How would he sabotage it? How would he get away with it?

[Misfits]

Again, you're trying to see what's not there. There is no evidence of Rush sabotaging the ship, only this scenario you've constructed in your mind where Rush must always be guilty, where every action must be his fault, and you see things from that rather than for what they are. You see a tree and assume there must be a forest behind it, as it were.

Rather than go on and on about how I'm not seeing it, step up and prove your point. How would he sabotage it? How would he get away with it?

You should read ALL the posts previously put up. I'm tired of re-stating it again and again.
Unlike SG-1, where it was 'Let's see how O'Neill and his team save the day', or SGA, where it was 'Let's see how Sheppard and his team save the day', SGU is, 'Let's see how Rush screws everybody and everybody survive it.'
Even Gloria, Rush's conscience, states his guilt, but you go right ahead and ignore it.

[morbosfist]

You should read ALL the posts previously put up. I'm tired of re-stating it again and again.
Unlike SG-1, where it was 'Let's see how O'Neill and his team save the day', or SGA, where it was 'Let's see how Sheppard and his team save the day', SGU is, 'Let's see how Rush screws everybody and everybody survive it.'
Even Gloria, Rush's conscience, states his guilt, but you go right ahead and ignore it.

Gloria only states that he disconnected the ship to save his dream, not that he sabotaged the whole thing. You're making something of nothing out of a need to justify your belief that Rush must always be the villain.

[Misfits]

Gloria only states that he disconnected the ship to save his dream, not that he sabotaged the whole thing. You're making something of nothing out of a need to justify your belief that Rush must always be the villain.

So, what is Rush's dream?

[morbosfist]

So, what is Rush's dream?

Don't try to change the subject. If he had sabotaged the ship, she'd have said so.