Milky War War Spoilers?

[PG15]

I doubt requisitioning all of Stargate Command's files would go down well. He could probably get away with mission logs, which would cover it, but there wouldn't be any reason to. Kiva had him funnel information on Destiny.

You're right, they probably don't have everything. However, if the LA were planning an attack on Earth, then any mole planted in the SGC/Homeworld Security would be instructed to get as much info about Earth and Earth personnel as possible.

And even if the mole can't get anything at all, Carter blowing up a sun to wipe out Apophis's fleet should be common knowledge by now; it was a pretty big deal at the time.

[Ser Scot A Ellison]

morbo,

Causing a sun to go supernova is rather out of the box thinking. I don't think it would occur to the Alliance, since they presumably haven't dialled to a black hole themselves.

Always overestimate your enemy. Then you are rarely suprised.

[Ser Scot A Ellison]

SH,

Massin, Kiva's Daddy is not going to take kindly to the news that his daughter has been killed by the Destinites. Id say a bit of vengance is in order and vengance is something the LA are very good at.

How's he going to find out Kiva was killed?

[Shai Hulud]

SH,



How's he going to find out Kiva was killed?

Already answered that, read the thread.

[Lant3an]

maybe the whole attack on earth thing is just a plot for the next sg1 movie
we need to stay optimistic

[Ser Scot A Ellison]

SH,

Already answered that, read the thread.

I assume you mean this quote:

They managed to get one spy into SGC whats to say they dont have another? Or perhaps they were monitoring the planet which the LA dialled from and which exploded just when Earth forces turn up and begin bombarding the planet?

If she died on Icarus II then it wasn't the people on Destiny who killed her. He may be pissed at Earth but he doesn't know whether she made it to Destiny.

[Shai Hulud]

If she died on Icarus II then it wasn't the people on Destiny who killed her. He may be pissed at Earth but he doesn't know whether she made it to Destiny.

And considering we are talking in this thread about the war between the LA and SGC within the Milky Way, your point is...?

[Ser Scot A Ellison]

SH,

Massin, Kiva's Daddy is not going to take kindly to the news that his daughter has been killed by the Destinites.[emphasis added]

That's my only point. He'll never know the "Destinites" killed his daughter. He might think Earth forces did it so the result will be the same.

[General Jumper One]

SH,



That's my only point. He'll never know the "Destinites" killed his daughter. He might think Earth forces did it so the result will be the same.

or he may never find out at all, who is going to tell him anyway

[morbosfist]

Upon what do you base that conclusion?

Simple logic and past precedent. These people are crazy paranoid about alien tech. Look at Area 51. They don't even let people in with the clothes on their backs. All alien research is based there. Similar situation with a 304. All computers are monitored. You couldn't download a thing without someone knowing.

But the simple, undeniable fact is this: if the Lucian Alliance had even an ounce of the tech the humans do, their Ha'taks would be armed with beam weapons, not staff cannons.

Always overestimate your enemy. Then you are rarely suprised.

"Never underestimate". Overestimation leads to overcomitting your forces and unsound tactical decisions. Assuming your enemy is stronger than you as a matter of course rather than a matter of fact is simply stupid. The simple fact is the Lucian Alliance doesn't operate like the SGC does. They're warlords, thugs, mercenaries, and criminals. They don't go for the scientific solution, they go for brute force or sneak attacks.

[Lt.Colonel John Sheppard]

Wouldn't surprise me if that little comment was thrown into SGU as continuity for when they get to the SG1 movie. My guess is that is what the SG1 movie will be about - the Lucian Alliance throwing everything they've got at Earth.

Well revolution defines as 2 a : a sudden, radical, or complete change b : a fundamental change in political organization; especially : the overthrow or renunciation of one government or ruler and the substitution of another by the governed c : activity or movement designed to effect fundamental changes in the socioeconomic situation d : a fundamental change in the way of thinking about or visualizing something : a change of paradigm) so who knows

[blackluster]

Simple logic and past precedent. These people are crazy paranoid about alien tech. Look at Area 51. They don't even let people in with the clothes on their backs. All alien research is based there. Similar situation with a 304. All computers are monitored. You couldn't download a thing without someone knowing.

But the simple, undeniable fact is this: if the Lucian Alliance had even an ounce of the tech the humans do, their Ha'taks would be armed with beam weapons, not staff cannons.

They know enough to render Asgard beaming and sensors ineffective which is more than enough. They could have been doing constant flyovers of area 51 and Earth would never know. If it hadn't been for Earth tracking Telford, they would never even have known the Lucian Alliance had that capability.

[morbosfist]

They know enough to render Asgard beaming and sensors ineffective which is more than enough. They could have been doing constant flyovers of area 51 and Earth would never know. If it hadn't been for Earth tracking Telford, they would never even have known the Lucian Alliance had that capability.

One, they cannot render Asgard sensors ineffective. They have cloaked ships and always have. That's nothing new. Two, jamming a signal is not the same as being able to duplicate the techonology. The Wraith managed that trick inside of an hour, and they don't have the same beaming ability. It's not an impressive development. Jamming things is easy if you can detect the signal. They do not act like it's an amazing feat of engineering, so obviously people have learned to counter it.

[blackluster]

One, they cannot render Asgard sensors ineffective. They have cloaked ships and always have. That's nothing new. Two, jamming a signal is not the same as being able to duplicate the techonology. The Wraith managed that trick inside of an hour, and they don't have the same beaming ability. It's not an impressive development. Jamming things is easy if you can detect the signal. They do not act like it's an amazing feat of engineering, so obviously people have learned to counter it.

If you can stop something from working, you have rendered it ineffective, it doesn't matter how you did it. Their ability clearly extends beyond a straightforward cloak since even with their exact location, the Hammond was unable to monitor the area and had no beaming capability there. The ability to disrupt the technology shows a level of understanding of it that indicates a level of technological parity that elevates the Lucian Alliance to serious front line threat as two major components of Asgard technology that Earth possesses have been successfully countered.

And jamming a signal is not easy when you can detect it, simplifying it to that degree is frankly ridiculous. You could whip out a spectrum analyzer right now and see a multitude of comm. signals being projected in your area. That in no way makes it easy for you to now go ahead and jam them since various protocols employ a plethora of means to overcome interference even in limited bandwidths. This is even more true in military applications.

[morbosfist]

If you can stop something from working, you have rendered it ineffective, it doesn't matter how you did it. Their ability clearly extends beyond a straightforward cloak since even with their exact location, the Hammond was unable to monitor the area and had no beaming capability there. The ability to disrupt the technology shows a level of understanding of it that indicates a level of technological parity that elevates the Lucian Alliance to serious front line threat as two major components of Asgard technology that Earth possesses have been successfully countered.

When are they ever shown to black out sensors? The Hammond couldn't beam anyone out. They could still tell what was going on and knew Daniel was there. Same with the pyramid. They couldn't beam Rush out, but they knew he was in there. Cloaked ships have always been around, so it is not an advantage the Alliance has suddenly gained. It's a technological advantage the Odyssey has, too.

And jamming a signal is not easy when you can detect it, simplifying it to that degree is frankly ridiculous. You could whip out a spectrum analyzer right now and see a multitude of comm. signals being projected in your area. That in no way makes it easy for you to now go ahead and jam them since various protocols employ a plethora of means to overcome interference even in limited bandwidths. This is even more true in military applications.

Nevertheless, in this show jamming is easy, because the Wraith did it inside an hour after seeing the technology work about four times or so.