Greer had the shot!

[xxxevilgrinxxx]

It was a Tec 9. But it's a good example in a show of what will happen with wild firing in enclosed spaces, everybody goes down.

If Greer had taken the shot, Kiva would have died first, then pretty much everyone else in that corridor would have died.

and then all the hostages would have died. Also, with no real leadership, the LA that were left could easily take the rest of the crew. Game over.

[General Jumper One]

and then all the hostages would have died. Also, with no real leadership, the LA that were left could easily take the rest of the crew. Game over.

then everyone would have died because of the pulsar

[xxxevilgrinxxx]

then everyone would have died because of the pulsar

'xactly
better to negotiate and live, if it means everyone or almost everyone lives

[fmbchris]

For a moment I thought we were in trouble!

[Replicator Todd]

For a moment I thought we were in trouble!

Awwwwww yeah!

[koroush47]

They should of just turned off life support... waited for everybody to start dying... Then come in with suits and drag the hostages out.

[Replicator Todd]

They should of just turned off life support... waited for everybody to start dying... Then come in with suits and drag the hostages out.

They honestly does make alot of sense, but something could of gone wrong.

[hedwig]

They honestly does make alot of sense, but something could of gone wrong.

It always does. It's a requirement on Stargate.

[talyn2k1]

If they had done that, there still would've been plenty of chance for the LA to kill the hostages. It took Telford over 5 minutes to pass out when they were venting the air out of the compartment he was in, you just couldn't render them unconscious quick enough to avoid bloodshed.

[Rudy Pena]

Well, seeing as how "The better shot's Air force people got pushed back very easily, i would say the X slaves.

Well, The L.A. did use Flashbangs which uses a bright light and loud sound to stun your targets long enough to take them out. Thats why they were pushed back "very easliy".

[blackluster]

Shooting Kiva probably wouldn't have worked out well, since the only other brains in their outfit seemed to be Varro who was still on a table at that stage. That leaves the not so smart guys in charge which leads to not so well thought out responses like killing hostages etc.

Having said that though, Young probably wouldn't have known that much at least with her in front of him. At that stage he was probably banking it all on Telford figuring something out and the power drain didn't really help his own plans either. At that stage there wasn't much he could do that wasn't a bad choice, but shooting Kiva would probably be the worst of a number of evils.

[GateroomGuard]

Here's the thing the whole idea that saving the hostages is the number 1 priority is flawed. The entire ship is at stake and Young puts the lives of a few people over the lives of the entire crew. Yes TJ is valuable to the crew for her medical skills and as people they all have value but Young cannot be looking at this situation from a humans view. He has to see it as what is the greater good for the crew. Losing TJ and the hostages would be bad, losing the entire crew is worse. And the sad part is TJ and all those hostages are replaceable. The stones can get them a doctor or anyone at anytime. And sadly the less people onboard the greater chance of living the other crewmembers have.

If Greer could take out Kiva and remove leadership from the Alliance then he should have. That said Young was also in danger of being killed which was a risk he shouldn't have taken. In the end if Greer had fired then Kiva would be dead and so would about 2 other LA soldiers. But Young, TJ, Greer, and all the hostages would be dead. Destiny would be leaderless and it most likely would have ended with Baldy ordering a full assualt which would make all the Destiny crew dead or about to be dead as prisoners.

So basically it would have ended just like it did except Young wouldn't be there to stare at the flickering lights.

[carnivore]

The question shouldn't be whether or not Greer should have taken the shot ... the question should be: what was the plan in the first place?

It'd be ridiculous for Young not to assume that Kiva had given contingency orders in case of ambush. Plus, in any case, killing Kiva wouldn't have changed the status quo all that much; there would still be a hostile enemy force holding hostages in the gateroom. So there should have been a Part II to the plan to quickly swoop into the Gateroom in the confusion after shots were fired. Scott was doing some kind of flanking move, so maybe that was the idea - to hit them from a different direction at the same time.

The most obvious flaw in the plan is the fact that Greer had to request permission to shoot after his weapon was already drawn. The way it played out was sort of like Greer saying: "Excuse me, Kiva, could you and your friends please hang on for a sec' while I request permission to surprise you?"

In a real hostage situation, the shooter would have been greenlighted to make the decision on his own. Either that, or Young would have used a code word or gesture to give the go ahead. If Greer just starts shooting without running his mouth first, Kiva and at least one more of her crew go down before it even registers. The remaining guys (how many were there) may even have their line of fire obstructed by their own dead/dying and have trouble with target selection (assuming that they don't just go into spray mode and risk shooting their own). There's also no reason that Young and his other personnel couldn't have drawn at the same time.

Bottom line: Using surprise in a small enclosed place with no cover, 4-5 people have a reasonable chance to take out an opposing force of similar size with "acceptable losses" in under two seconds. But there had to be a plan to penetrate to the Gateroom in the same period of time.

[JustAnotherVoice]

Bottom line: Using surprise in a small enclosed place with no cover, 4-5 people have a reasonable chance to take out an opposing force of similar size with "acceptable losses" in under two seconds. But there had to be a plan to penetrate to the Gateroom in the same period of time.

I thought Scott and some marines were stacked up in the corridor behind the exchange?

[xxxevilgrinxxx]

The question shouldn't be whether or not Greer should have taken the shot ... the question should be: what was the plan in the first place?

It'd be ridiculous for Young not to assume that Kiva had given contingency orders in case of ambush. Plus, in any case, killing Kiva wouldn't have changed the status quo all that much; there would still be a hostile enemy force holding hostages in the gateroom. So there should have been a Part II to the plan to quickly swoop into the Gateroom in the confusion after shots were fired. Scott was doing some kind of flanking move, so maybe that was the idea - to hit them from a different direction at the same time.

The most obvious flaw in the plan is the fact that Greer had to request permission to shoot after his weapon was already drawn. The way it played out was sort of like Greer saying: "Excuse me, Kiva, could you and your friends please hang on for a sec' while I request permission to surprise you?"

In a real hostage situation, the shooter would have been greenlighted to make the decision on his own. Either that, or Young would have used a code word or gesture to give the go ahead. If Greer just starts shooting without running his mouth first, Kiva and at least one more of her crew go down before it even registers. The remaining guys (how many were there) may even have their line of fire obstructed by their own dead/dying and have trouble with target selection (assuming that they don't just go into spray mode and risk shooting their own). There's also no reason that Young and his other personnel couldn't have drawn at the same time.

Bottom line: Using surprise in a small enclosed place with no cover, 4-5 people have a reasonable chance to take out an opposing force of similar size with "acceptable losses" in under two seconds. But there had to be a plan to penetrate to the Gateroom in the same period of time.

I think the plan was to get TJ out of the room and take it from there. It only needed to work long enough to get her out