'Incursion, Part 2' (120) General Discussion

[Briangate78]

While normally I would let it slide, I want to ask you to please spoiler tag stuff like this. You casually revealed a major plot point that I was on the edge of my seat waiting to be resolved. But now I know how it turns out <_<

Thanks.

I don't see it that way. Sorry. When you come to the forums, it is obvious you are going to read these things. Casting news are not spoilers. If I said TJ will die next season ,then thats' a spoiler.

[MattSilver 3k]

That's what I absolutely loved about 24. It's the only show I can think of, where TRULY nobody but Jack Bauer was safe. Main cast characters died all the time, almost every season.

BSG had a nice kill count out of the recurring characters, especially in the last season. Angel did great with killing main characters too - one in the ninth episode! Also Lost ditched at least one main character every season... There're a lot of shows that do this.

Unfortunately for SGU, the show's got a great cast that would feel odd if someone got cut out. Young Vs Rush Vs Wray needs to stick around for the duration, Chloe and Eli are the audience viewpoint kids (Translation: die horribly later on?), Scott just strikes me as the "Young Guy" who'll survive the whole thing, killing Greer would be pulling another Ford (Only worse, 'cause Greer has a lot more personality that works well with the show) and killing TJ would kill our best doe-eyes on the cast.

[Demerzel]

BSG had a nice kill count out of the recurring characters, especially in the last season. Angel did great with killing main characters too - one in the ninth episode! Also Lost ditched at least one main character every season... There're a lot of shows that do this.

Unfortunately for SGU, the show's got a great cast that would feel odd if someone got cut out. Young Vs Rush Vs Wray needs to stick around for the duration, Chloe and Eli are the audience viewpoint kids (Translation: die horribly later on?), Scott just strikes me as the "Young Guy" who'll survive the whole thing, killing Greer would be pulling another Ford (Only worse, 'cause Greer has a lot more personality that works well with the show) and killing TJ would kill our best doe-eyes on the cast.

True, true. BSG was an exception, though. In season 4, they knew it was their last season before they even filmed it since they ended the series on Moore's terms, they didn't get canceled. So they could do as they wished with characters like Cally and such. Before that, they never really killed anyone of the main cast. Ellen wasn't a main character, but was as close as it gets.

24 killed main characters like, for the whole duration of the show. The only example I can think of, is imagine if early in SG-1, when Hammond gives the Air Medal to Carter, if Carter ended up being a doppelganger and suddenly shot Hammond in the chest just as he handed her the medal. That's the kind of WTF moment that REALLY makes you want to come back.

[nano]

And have the death of a long-time friend on your conscience? I doubt it.

Never said i would feel good about it but i sure as hell would do it

[nano]

I'd agree with the "leader making a mistake" if it were a simple mistake anyone could make. Like forgetting to lock down the doors because he thought venting the atmosphere would beat them. But this isn't Napoleon at Waterloo making a tactical error, Young had a complete lack of backup plans which i found ridiculous. A layered defense isn't a hard concept.Hell my five year old cousin one ambushed me with a water bucket on top of a door FFS. It could be as simple as coating the floor with grease/oil and the LA suddenly can't maneuver properly so the venting could take effect. They can wash the grease/oil off later, it's not like they're using the gate that very instant.

He's a Full Bird Colonel. If everyday joes see those options and would go for them, how much more would a full bird colonel with combat experience know? How much redundancy does the military do when running an operation?

I completely aggre with u its not hard to make a couple of backup plans even...

Young realy needs to DIE

[major davis]

That's what I absolutely loved about 24. It's the only show I can think of, where TRULY nobody but Jack Bauer was safe. Main cast characters died all the time, almost every season. You couldn't possibly know who was going to survive or die, because unlike Stargate or other shows, 24 show runners were never afraid to kill anyone and nobody was safe. And heck, they were pretty damn creative when it came to ways to kill main characters off (Curtis Manning. Omg.). It's fun to see red shirts die, but it's simply not the same.

Agree 100%... But you probably should put spoiler tags for the Curtis Manning thing for those who haven't seen it yet.

[jelgate]

True, true. BSG was an exception, though. In season 4, they knew it was their last season before they even filmed it since they ended the series on Moore's terms, they didn't get canceled. So they could do as they wished with characters like Cally and such. Before that, they never really killed anyone of the main cast. Ellen wasn't a main character, but was as close as it gets.

24 killed main characters like, for the whole duration of the show. The only example I can think of, is imagine if early in SG-1, when Hammond gives the Air Medal to Carter, if Carter ended up being a doppelganger and suddenly shot Hammond in the chest just as he handed her the medal. That's the kind of WTF moment that REALLY makes you want to come back.

Even BSG didn't kill off main characters. Adama and Kara were there all the way through from start to finish. People like Cally were recurring characters not main ones

[nano]

I was amazed they made it better than the siege pt2.. At least with that one, we knew hope was on the way.

Get real it was lame since at least there looked like there was some hope in atlantis, here its 0 hope and Young... well im not even gonna bother with its since it would be like **** every other word... BIG LETDOWN

[Demerzel]

Even BSG didn't kill off main characters. Adama and Kara were there all the way through from start to finish. People like Cally were recurring characters not main ones

I worded that wrong. When I said "characters like Cally and such" I meant minor characters. They killed a bunch of those, Racetrack, Skulls, Boomer, etc etc. They pretty much were the Brody, Park and Volker of BSG, not as present as that particular trio, but they served as a great group of secondary characters that kept coming back.

Like I said, 24 is the only show I can remember where truly nobody was off-limits. They killed THREE main cast characters in season 8, and killed one at least every season. To me, it's more realistic because the heroes weren't invincible, they could make a mistake, take a bullet and die. Even Jack rarely got out of trouble without great suffering.

[nano]

Spoiler:

Telford is cast in every episode of season 2 that I checked out.. Which would make up a good leadership duo between Young and Telford. One would compliment the others shortfalls and makes for an excellent full circle writing.

Spoiler:

After Youngs ****up????
Telford is easy taking over or im just gonna stop watching stargate

[Commander Zelix]

I don't count that as killing off a main character due to chickening out and reviving them. Killing off a main character means they stay no resurrection machines

Sure it count unless you bring them back 1 or 2 episodes later. Their death was consumed, grief over done. Who cares if they bring a character death at the beginning of season 2 in the middle of season 3 (in an alternate form nevertheless)?

If Young dies at the beginning of season 2 and they bring him back in season 3 as an ascended ghost for one episode. It only had layers to his death which is real nevertheless.

[Azzers]

No, I've gotta agree with jelgate on this one, Dead is Dead.

It's true that maybe the first time you kill somene (only to bring them back later) it's effective. But it's all downhill from there.

You don't go through the stages of loss in a show that constantly brings charecter's back because you never get past denial. "Yea they're dead, but they'll probably be back so I don't have to feel bad about it."

[Demerzel]

No, I've gotta agree with jelgate on this one, Dead is Dead.

It's true that maybe the first time you kill somene (only to bring them back later) it's effective. But it's all downhill from there.

You don't go through the stages of loss in a show that constantly brings charecter's back because you never get past denial. "Yea they're dead, but they'll probably be back so I don't have to feel bad about it."

*Coughs* Daniel. *Coughs*

[Wib]

I didn't think that much of part 1 tbh, but when this finished I was practically shouting "NOOOOOOOOOOOO YOU CAN'T END IT LIKE THIS" at my screen, i loved it, so much going on and practically every major character in mortal peril, brilliant.



Is it october yet?

[Demerzel]

For the record, that bald Lucian Alliance guy was much less mean and cruel when he was an Ori prior in SG-1's Beachhead episode. Not only did he not ascend, but he re-incarnated as a bald guy in a scavenger organization. I bet that wasn't mentioned in the brochure when he signed on with the Ori.