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Joseph Mallozzi -"In the meantime, I'm into season 5 of OZ (where the show takes an unfortunate hairpin turn into "the not so wonderful world of fantasy")"
^^^ Kinda sounds like seasons 9 and 10 of SG-1 to me. Thor, ya got Aspirin?
AGateFan has officially Gone Fishin (with Jack, Sam, Daniel, Teal'c) and is hoping Atlantis does not take that same hairpin turn.
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Originally posted by Dromag67Cons:
Kirking is getting annoying.
No one for Teal'c to beat up.
Originally posted by thorshammerThis ep was totally predictable. The only thing was that her husband was the one that killed her but the other stuff I figured out pretty quick. The actor that plays Cameron as a kid didn't look anything, anything like Cameron as an adult. Although it was cool that we got some backstory on Cam. Was the part on the jet all CG? Because if it was It looked very, very real.
The kid was okay, but more kudos for the casting of the father. Very believable casting there.Convention Pix Shore Leave ('06 to '09), AT2, AT3, & AT4 ('06, '08, & '09), and Vancouver ('07)
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Welcome to Gen Hammond's barber barber's shop
Sit down while I review Collateral Damage.
This was a really good episode earning 6 of 8 Chevron's encoded.
Overall
This episode was like Total Recall meets CSI in the stargate universe. It was a unique viewing expereince in the staragte universe. It envoked classic stargate in continuing old issues of politics/technology/friendships, throughout multiple seasons. This time it was done using the Gao'uld memory device and the Gao'ld Asgard treaty. The plot twist was great. We also got to meet a new race that was not connected to the Ori. The episode was much different then I had anticipated after reading plot summaries befoe hand, and kept me guessing.
The opening was something I have never seen in stargate, and had a CSI feel to it. I thought it was great to see the writers/directors show a darker side to stargate. Shake things up a bit. The murder, the dried blood, the anger in Mitchell's face and eyes. It was a great opening scene. From there I knew I was going to see something that I had not before in Stargate.
24 hours earlier
Loved seeing that. Alittle different for your stargate viewing experience as well. I was glad to see some innovation in their style.
Ben Browder-- I felt Ben's acting was great in this episode. I really felt for his character at several periods during the episode. This is the first time he has gotten me to do that.
We got to see a new civilization and its history. I enjoy episodes like this. They discussed "The Ring", and had their own internal struggles with what to do with the ring as well as new technology ( interstellar travel--memory deviceonce the Ga'ould fell. We were able to see that this is what many planets and civilizations under the asgard protection treaty are probably going through.
This was also one of our new SGC's 1st big moral test. They passed.
Kirking--This was fairly dark Kirking. The darkest I have ever scene in sci-fi. I don't mind kirking if their is some sort of twist or new way to show it. I felt this did it. When have you heard the term Blood Alcohol Level in stargate or sci fi at all.
You have Mitchell going home and getting drunk with a married woman. They did not play up the romance angle. Instead, they made the woman very aggressive. Now I have seen the woman be the agressor before, but it was to fulfill some purpose....to seduce and gain power...to gian information...this was purely sexual.
Also, I tend to think this will make Cam and the rest of SG-1 think twice before Kirking in the future.
I thought the asylum angle was great and highlighted the new politically climate of the galaxy. This has gone largely under the radar in the 1st half of this season. I was glad they were able to shed some light on how the galaxy has changed outside of the Ori, since the Gao'uld have fallen.
Childhood Memories
Not only do we get a unique stargate episode, but we get some great backstory on Cam. We learn about his past, and his relationship with his father. I began to like him alot more in this episode. Also, his Dad's legs being taken off was another sign of the darkness of this episode. The determination of his dad to walk again and Cam fighting through the error that killed innocent people helped me get a much better sense of who he is. ALso the Top Gun like plane sequence with Cam was pretty cool too.
There was a great Mckay/Zelenka moment between the two scientists....when he did not want to waste time explaining his theory.
Someone stated earlier that once people realized Cam did not committ the murder that they should have focused on the people with the proper expertise---and that this was logical,...and that by not doing so the episode was illogical.
I disagree. Thats the logical way if you actually want to find the killer, However: 1) Remember that the Emissary did not want this to continue. 2) The only reason the investigation continued is from our own political pressure. 3) Once they found the murderer they did not punish him.
The society we were dealing with was more concenred with technological breakthroughs and advancing its military then humanity. The episode showed the conflicts of this civilization in the dawn of a new era and I don't think people are appreciating that as much as they are I saw soemthing like this 7 years ago on a babylon 5 rerun.
We recieved a great epsiode that perhaps requires some to rewatch it before they thoroughly appreciate the work.
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Originally posted by kazbaby
As for the complaint about the flashbacks for Mitchell’s history?
How else do you want them to tell it aside from a roundtable discussion and Cameron just talking. What fun is that?
And who mentioned not liking the shaky camera style? I thought it added a sense of unreality to the ep, mirroring Cam's own sense of confusion at re-living the implanted memories and wondering what was real and what was not. I think that was absolutely intentional on the director's part to highlight the character's dilemma.
*goes off to look up who directed this ep*
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Originally posted by kazbabyAs for the complaint about the flashbacks for Mitchell’s history?
How else do you want them to tell it aside from a roundtable discussion and Cameron just talking. What fun is that?
I just think with all the back story to Mitchell, TPTB are trying to force us to like him. I'm sorry, he's just not growing on me at all. This was the first episode in 9 years that I wasn't even looking forward to.
Daniel was and is my favorite character, and I dreaded the sixth season, but for some reason I liked Jonas. We didn't get any flashbacks from him...we knew everything we needed to know about him the first few episodes.
I don't even really miss Jack. I just don't care for the character of Mitchell and this episode really pushed me over the edge. I'll watch the rest of the season, but not with the anticipation of old. I'm looking forward to Vala returning though and hoping that will liven up the show some.
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Originally posted by nccjonesWhy do we have to know so much angst about his past anyways? Why can't we learn about him as we go. We never saw flashbacks from any of the other characters over the years. The closest to a flashback was when Daniel witnessed his parents killed and that was only one episode.
I just think with all the back story to Mitchell, TPTB are trying to force us to like him. I'm sorry, he's just not growing on me at all. This was the first episode in 9 years that I wasn't even looking forward to.
Daniel was and is my favorite character, and I dreaded the sixth season, but for some reason I liked Jonas. We didn't get any flashbacks from him...we knew everything we needed to know about him the first few episodes.
I don't even really miss Jack. I just don't care for the character of Mitchell and this episode really pushed me over the edge. I'll watch the rest of the season, but not with the anticipation of old. I'm looking forward to Vala returning though and hoping that will liven up the show some.Joseph Mallozzi -"In the meantime, I'm into season 5 of OZ (where the show takes an unfortunate hairpin turn into "the not so wonderful world of fantasy")"
^^^ Kinda sounds like seasons 9 and 10 of SG-1 to me. Thor, ya got Aspirin?
AGateFan has officially Gone Fishin (with Jack, Sam, Daniel, Teal'c) and is hoping Atlantis does not take that same hairpin turn.
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Originally posted by GenHammondsBarber[B]
Not only do we get a unique stargate episode, but we get some great backstory on Cam. We learn about his past, and his relationship with his father. I began to like him alot more in this episode. Also, his Dad's legs being taken off was another sign of the darkness of this episode. The determination of his dad to walk again and Cam fighting through the error that killed innocent people helped me get a much better sense of who he is. ALso the Top Gun like plane sequence with Cam was pretty cool too.
Now, all they need to do is show how these same traits can be a flaw in his character, or show some other flaw to really give him depth.I'm a girl! A girly girly girl!
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So far, the best of season 9! Thanks TPTB for letting Ben show just how great of an actor he is. I really felt his angst/anguish for the first time this season.
ok, so the plot felt recycled... I guess there are only so many plots to be had in sci-fi.....but at least there was no mention of the Oreos. Getting to know more about Cameron Mitchell was good, too. I give it a 8/10.
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Originally posted by kazbabyI have to watch it again, oh hardship abound , but for now I have to say I liked Samantha not leaving Cameron alone during the search through his memories. That continues to show that he…rather they… respect each other and have a friendship beyond the SGC.
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Originally posted by BigGator5SAM/CAM SHIP!! <3Joseph Mallozzi -"In the meantime, I'm into season 5 of OZ (where the show takes an unfortunate hairpin turn into "the not so wonderful world of fantasy")"
^^^ Kinda sounds like seasons 9 and 10 of SG-1 to me. Thor, ya got Aspirin?
AGateFan has officially Gone Fishin (with Jack, Sam, Daniel, Teal'c) and is hoping Atlantis does not take that same hairpin turn.
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Originally posted by AGateFanWhat about COLD LAZARUS. That was pretty much a bunch of Jack Flashbacks to seeing his kid shoot himself... I’m just saying, there is precedence...
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For those who are curious, JEFF UPTON (mentioned at end of episode in memorium)
was a gaffer (crew member) on SG1.
AKA: Chief Lighting Technician
The head of the electrical department, responsible for the design and execution of the lighting plan for a production. Early films used mostly natural light, which stagehands controlled with large tent cloths using long poles called gaffs (stagehands were often beached sailors or longshoremen, and a gaff is a type of boom on a sailing ship). In 16th Century English, the term "gaffer" denoted a man who was the head of any organized group of laborers.
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Originally posted by nccjonesYes, I agree there is precedence, but it wasn't forced down our throats like he is. That's how I feel. I respect that you like the introduction of this character this way. I would rather see team episodes of them going to other planets and just learn about him along the way. How he deals with situations. I just don't feel we need to know all about his issues to be told what kind of a guy he is and what kind of a leader he'll be.Joseph Mallozzi -"In the meantime, I'm into season 5 of OZ (where the show takes an unfortunate hairpin turn into "the not so wonderful world of fantasy")"
^^^ Kinda sounds like seasons 9 and 10 of SG-1 to me. Thor, ya got Aspirin?
AGateFan has officially Gone Fishin (with Jack, Sam, Daniel, Teal'c) and is hoping Atlantis does not take that same hairpin turn.
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Originally posted by nccjonesWhy do we have to know so much angst about his past anyways? Why can't we learn about him as we go. We never saw flashbacks from any of the other characters over the years. The closest to a flashback was when Daniel witnessed his parents killed and that was only one episode.
I just think with all the back story to Mitchell, TPTB are trying to force us to like him. I'm sorry, he's just not growing on me at all. This was the first episode in 9 years that I wasn't even looking forward to.
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Ok...Am I really the only one who noticed the Daniel slam dunk in the conference room? I'm starting to wonder if people didn't think it was a big deal. I mean, Daniel was voicing his concern and there was only on a few planets so far Mitchell who was already hot after the alian babe slamming him for his concerns, and then Landry saying..yes, we know that for 9 years that there's been questionable alian devices..but that's what they go to the planets (well, along those lines...not exact quote).
I just felt that he was totally disrespected in that scene. JMO.
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