Prometheus Unbound (812)

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That was a pretty good ep over all. Claudia Black looked amazing in the skin tight black get up. =)

[graculus]

Yeah, I'm surprised that Vala isn't getting more of the guy cat-suit vote.

Later,
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[Madeleine]

I think the shield failed because neither Vala nor Daniel were fully competent at operating the ship.

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Good explanation!

Later,
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[Easter Lily]

And the point of this episode was...?

Gasp... Daniel's turning into Jack... I'm really missing the archaeologist, I begin to wonder if he shouldn't have gone to Atlantis with Weir & Co.

Nice to see Claudia Black again... great suit... very flattering. That Vala seems to have only one thing on her mind.

A thoroughly silly episode... funny in parts but very silly. I just hope that SG-1 isn't turning into a caricature of itself.

[ApophisLives]

I *loved* this episode. Very light and silly, lots of laughs.

I liked seeing Vala and Daniel's chemistry; it was a welcome departure from the usual drama and angst that usually accompany any sort of relationship. Not that drama and angst are bad necessarily...it was just nice to see a change of pace.

I hope Daniel and Vala get a lot of scenes together, and they play out that sexual tension. It was really fun to watch. The fact that she's an "enemy," yet so different than the usual Goa'uld, Replicators, etc. (*serious enemies*), and even at the end, Daniel doesn't hate her or anything ("she's good")...I think it could really go places, as long as they don't make it serious, and they don't forget about it. I am *so* looking forward to those episodes.

[Livi2Jack]

Is this the ep that Jumps the Shark?

A couple of good lines does not quality make.

1. A 3 star General commands hundreds of thousands not a couple of dozen. Especially when there are at least 2 colonels and a brigadier gen who can command the ship, ie Prendergast, Ronson, and O'Neill.

2. Personnel decisions are not handled in front of the lower ranking personnel, ie Hammond countermanding Jack, taking Daniel and Walter.

3. The commander is NEVER sent out on a dangerous recon alone or at all. Lt. Gen. Tommy Franks would never go on a house to house recon in Baghdad, so why was Three Star Gen. Hammond,in no kind of physical shape to boot, sent to operate in dangerous environmental conditions. Action Hammond was so awful I winced. His motivations were silly and selfish not heroic. And he jeopardized the mission for his own personal pique. And the person selected should have taken all the crystals for backups.

4. CPR...Col. Reynolds is a Special Forces trained soldier who would NEVER hesitate to give CPR/Mouth to Mouth as would the crew who would all have had at least Red Cross training for emergency situations. It was NOT funny.

5. Hiccoup woman was annoying. No point. The gimmick missed.

6. Daniel punching out a woman is not sending the right message to the kids who watch the show. Yes she was begging for it, but still it was the wrong thing to do in front of children. Zatting her which does not imply real permanent injury should have been the exclusive use of force. Cary Grant shoved Kate Hepburn in the face in the Philadelphia story but he did it with class and she wasn't hurt. Cagney shoved a grapefruit into a woman's face in Public Enemey but she wasn't hurt. This was pure brutality and yes in the real world he would fight her off as best he could. But this is tv with little kids who watch it. Producers take note.

7. With that much fighting, someone had to bleed and show bruises later. It was comic book action. And it showed kids that you can beat each other up with no effect.

8. Several movies and a James Bond one I can remember do the thigh crushing manoeuver. By now it is just trite.

9. What about security? Do we have such limited understanding of the systems we are using such as the rings as to be unable to construct the slightest security? Even our own technology at the brig could be breached from INSIDE the cell? And the woman did it Twice.

10. Someone mentioned that the Super Soldier outfit seems to be a one size fits all deal...aren't the Kull 7 feet tall or something?

11. Zats do not affect one single part of the body. Whether the head or tail is exposed should not matter if the energy is dissapated by the suit. Shooting for the head was begging the issue. How do I know? My rocket scientist physicist husband waxed warm and wild over this bit.

12. As to Daniel mouthing Jack's lines...be glad it wasn't Jack because he would have killed Vala at the first opportunity and there would have been no ep.

13. Chevron guy morphed from Radar O'Reilly to Wesley Crusher in S8. He operates a terminal at the SGC for 8 years and may have some low level administrative duties. Suddenly he can substitute for Maj. Gant or then Maj. Carter, a major no less, at those controls of the Prometheus and on an alien ship the Alkesh? What? Correspondence courses at alien ship school pan out? Sheesh.

14. Part of the great appeal of this show is that the men and women of the Armed Services are shown as heroes of great competency operating with teamwork in an effective stratified system. This ep was filled with buffoons or selfish silly folks with no security procedures, disregard for the safety of the chain of command, and a crew complement without skill levels necessary to run the ship.

[KatG]

Posting before I read what everyone else thought.

I was extremely dissapointed in this episode. Felt like I had been dropped into an episode of Farscape with all the sexual innuendos, yelling and screaming, and beating up on each other. Doesn't make me feel too positive about S9 if this is what we have to look forward to.

I didn't see any chemistry between Daniel/Vala. In fact, it seemed rather forced to me.

I also find it hard to believe that the Colonel Reynolds would hesitate to perform mouth to mouth when his commanding officer was lying there not breathing. I mean these people are trained to respond in life or death matters, and this definitely qualified. Instead we get a look like "ewww, I might get cooties". Just didn't gel for me at all.

[KatG]

I finally got to see it. I don't like slapstick humour, or sexual innuendo, and I thought both went way OTT in this. The fight between the two of them was ridiculous, partly because there's no way Vala should have been able to beat up Daniel, not after 8 years of training. And the constant muttering about having sex-- to me this was the writers FORCING an attraction, rather than letting one appear on it's own. Every once in a while I caught a little spark, but it was not in the places where it was written.

If this is what Vala is, and the way S9 is going to be written, I'm not looking forward to it. I'm not a hormone-ridden 14 year old boy and I get no thrill out of an episode like this. When I watch an episode and I see MICHAEL rather than Daniel, then something is wrong. This just isn't Daniel for me, and I'm hugely disappointed. Everything seemed so forced. If I wanted to watch Farscape, then I would go rent the DVD's.

What was with that chickie who kept hicupping? It did nothing for the plot; I assume it was put in there because someone thought it was 'funny.' Can we stop with the 'comedy' and get back to DRAMA?

You only have, what, 40 minutes to tell a story? If it's not pertinent to the plot, then leave it out.

And when you have to give someone CPR, you don't wrinkle up your nose in disgust and hesitate. Both Reynolds and Hammond (AND Damien Kindler!) are far beyond the 'ooh, cooties, he's a boy I can't put my lips on his!' age!

And writers? DANIEL IS NOT JACK. Please stop putting Jack's words into Daniel's mouth, it doesn't sound good at all.

Wow! Will wonders never cease? This may be the very first time that you and I have agreed on an episode since we both entered this fandom.

I swear I didn't read your post before I posted my original but it's like you were channeling my thoughts or something or maybe that would be me channeling yours since they were already here.

[KatG]

It seems to me a lot of people are taking this episode way too seriously, and that's why you can't enjoy it. I'm guessing those people have never watched Avenger 2.0, The Other Guys, Wormhole X-treme, Window of Opportunity or Urgo. This was just Season 8's comedic episode, and I must say that I loved it.

Then you would be guessing wrong. Aside from Avenger 2.0, I've loved the funny episodes each season. Urgo and Window of Opportunity are probably two of my favorite episodes ever and I quite enjoyed The Other Guys and Wormhole Extreme. I just didn't like this one at all. In my opinion, and it's only my opinion, this one would have worked much better as a serious ep with a little humor thrown in.

[KatG]

Must be a phase you guys are going through; I'm in my fifties and suddenly I think EVERYTHING'S funny.

That must be it. It seems to be us 40 somethings that are don't get the humor.

Nice to know I have something to look forward to when I hit my 50's.

[XToDaZ]

This was definately one of the worst episodes I've seen so far. I could hardly recognise it was a Stargate episode.
The hick-up humor and the oversexed Vala might seem like a nice idea for an idiotic British comedy show or for a 14 year-old crowd. I tried to laugh, but I've outgrown this type of pubescant comedy for some time now.
I also could not find a reference to how this particular episode could fit into the SG grand scheme of things. Singular episodes are supposed to either be a funny interval, a money-saving clipshow (a necessary evil) or are supposed to open up some options for future storylines technologically (nanites, stargate intel, naquadah reactor, ...), socially (sam/jack, teal'c and co, ...), politically (NID development, Pentagon, ...) or diplomatically/culturally (Antractic Ancient, Tollan, Kelowna, ...)
This one did none of those.
Instead all I saw was a crappy performance of Daniel (whether it's Michael Shanks losing interest or the writers losing what Daniel's about, I don't know), a irritating chick with an attitude of which I hope she won't reappear, a ranked officer hesitatant to reanimate his general, a Star Wars type alien creature of which nothing was told whatsoever and last but not least a stereotypical fight between Daniel and Vala that could've been stripped right of an amateur porn video without the clothes removed.

Whoever wrote this episode should ask Jack O'Neill how to evade cliché's.

[Major Fischer]

So, I admit whole heartedly that I probably wouldn't like this when I started watching it.... but here is ...

Fischer's Random Rambling About Prometheus Unbound

What do three star generals do and do not do.

They do not contradict their subordinates in front of others (including Daniel, and the SFs in the hall). They do not go on missions. They do not sound petty. This beginning doesn't bode well for what the new job has done to Hammond. Lieutenant generals are men who handle the big picture, not one ship. Did Hammond do this to the Prommie CO too? Does this tell us that Lieutenant Colonel Carter isn't the only one poorly served by season eight?

At least Hammond knows he's selfish. Novak annoyed me after oh, did she walk into the room? What the ... who wrote that? I'm sooo glad this didn't end up as a recurring gag on Atlantis. I might have destroyed my TV tube.

So Walter can fly a starship now? Not just the Prometheus, but the Akash too? That's not a highly skilled and technical job completely different than what he does normally... is it? Oh yeah, ten minutes into this episode and I'm not totally out of the universe and yelling at TPTB, no I'm not.

Ohhhh and apparently the Prometheus Standard Operating Proceedures are so idiotic as to not have safeguards against the use of the rings by unauthorized people. Even though we know the goa'uld use rings, because, well, you know we salvaged that technology from them. No one on the bridge smart enough to do anything but stare at the supersoldier? These are our last best defense against enslavement and destruction?

Back to things three star generals don't do. They don't go over to hostile enviroments to do a job that could be better done by someone who is younger and in much better physical shape. No trained marine would hesitate giving mouth to mouth when someone was dying either. Was this written by a twelve year old?

The chemistry between Daniel and Vela is so forced and horrible that felt sorry for both Shanks and Black. I can't imagin suffering through five entire epsiodes of this garbage. No matter how much shippy music you put over the incredibly painful kiss.

And the less said about the fight between Daniel and Vela the better.

Bondage jokes and potty humor, and nonconsentual sexual banter? This is what we get after eight years? I didn't mind it so much in Hathor, I thought it was campy. Now I see why others didn't feel that way about that episode. I think that there might be a shark around... anyone have some water skies? A waste of a good hour of my life. Can I sue for it back?

Utter drivel.

[Buzz Lightyear]

So, I admit whole heartedly that I probably wouldn't like this when I started watching it.... but here is ...

Utter drivel.

Now tell us what you REALLY think, and don't hold back this time.

[greytop]

This epsoide was better than Genimi, IMO. Since we know that Vala will be back next season, it was a good introduction to her. Maybe, Teal's will know who she is?