Grace (713)

[Falcon Horus]

i'd still like to know who 'grace' really was. was she a part of sam's mind and spirit, or some*thing* from the nebula itself?

I kinda liked Figment!Daniel's theory about the nebula being a sentient being (which they did in ST: Voyager I think as well). I don't think it was an evil sort of nebula, otherwise I don't think it would have chosen a little girl as a means to communicate.

[majorsal]

I kinda liked Figment!Daniel's theory about the nebula being a sentient being (which they did in ST: Voyager I think as well). I don't think it was an evil sort of nebula, otherwise I don't think it would have chosen a little girl as a means to communicate.

i like this idea the best too. i really wish they would have done a follow up with this, using this idea!

[Falcon Horus]

That would have been nice.

[Sparky She-Demon]

This was an interesting episode to watch. Really fun to watch.

I'm of two opinions on Grace: A) She's what Sam may have been like before the car accident, obviously Sam was older than the girl seems to be and/or B) Grace is a possible child that she could have one day.

[Alyana]

I think I didn't particularly like or dislike this episode but obviously, it did raise a few questions.

My thoughts on Grace (and sorry if someone said it already, I didn't read the entire thread) is that she's the Nebula. Obviously, she does say/act like she knows things about Sam but I think she can, in some ways, "read minds". What I mean by that is that if Grace is the nebula, her appearance can only come from Sam's mind, or the Nebula wouldn't appear as a Human child, speak English, sing Twinkle Twinkle Little Star and blow bubbles. The nebula affects the ships, maybe it didn't do it on purpose (it didn't ask for ships to come right inside of it) and just wonders if Sam's worth of being freed, or just tries to help her because it doesn't want to keep ships in his body.

I think wasn't beemed because she wasn't conscious. I've always thought that, I mean, she looses consciousness, she wakes up, no one is here. Maybe the Alien's technology didn't "see" her because she was out.

But really, the REAL question here is : Who were the people in that ship ? I mean, there was a huge hostile space ship out there, and they just left the whole thing pending. That is my biggest issue with the episode. I just want to know.

[Falcon Horus]

Yeah, we had a discussion earlier in the thread about whether the nebula was sentient or not, and whether Grace is the nebula in that case. My opinion did lean towards that notion.

Stargate is known for leaving things hanging, that's where fanfiction comes in I guess. (or to revive dead characters)

[Sparky She-Demon]

I like working around things with dead characters!

[Alyana]

Stargate is known for leaving things hanging, that's where fanfiction comes in I guess. (or to revive dead characters)

It's not that I dislike fanfictions but I like when things are canon ^^'

Anyway, it's not even like they really seemed to discuss the whole nebula situation afterwards in the show either.
Maybe Sam wrote her report and everyone just though "it's the blow to head, makes you see things".

[Falcon Horus]

When TPTW kill your favorite character, you don't have much choice, now do you.

[jelgate]

When TPTW kill your favorite character, you don't have much choice, now do you.

That probably suggest you are too obsessed if killing a fictional person brings so much anger

[Sparky She-Demon]

When TPTW kill your favorite character, you don't have much choice, now do you.

That's what fanfiction is for!

[Falcon Horus]

That probably suggest you are too obsessed if killing a fictional person brings so much anger

Not anymore... I'm making progress.

[enibas5]

Have not read all previous posts, which I usually do.
That is probably also just a result of being soooo bored by "Grace", that I am also bored reading too much about it.

Out of 214 eps. there might be around 6-8 that I do not rewatch anymore, for I do not want to waste my precious time. However, as with other eps. I dislike, I at least did rewatch them twice, before abandoning for good.
It did not help with "Grace". Rewatching led to a minor better understanding of the plot, but not a bit to better entertainment. It is just completely boring.
Since I feel that way a lot, when it comes to eps. that focus on Sam (can't stand 'Death Knell' either), I even checked myself, if it might just be a result of, as me being female, generally wanting to have the focus on the male characters. But, nope! That's not the reason. Sam just is not so complex as indicated in eps. like "Grace". There are over 100 eps. before, showing her very one-dimensional military character.
We've known her for 7 years now, and all of a sudden TPTB want to make believe that she is so much more than this? No, I don't buy it. If she were, it would have shown before.

But apart from that and even if I would buy that plot, the whole ep. simply bores me. So, no rewatch anymore.

[Falcon Horus]

...if it might just be a result of, as me being female, generally wanting to have the focus on the male characters.

Characters need to be well-rounded, well-written and strong. Doesn't matter whether they are male, female or somewhere in between.

I always felt something was missing with Carter, but like I mentioned in another thread I could never figure out what it was that made me unable to like her more than I did. It's nothing Amanda did, that's for sure, cause I absolutely loved her in Sanctuary character.

*shrug*

I don't know... it just bugs me sometimes.

[garhkal]

I don't know... it just bugs me sometimes.

Same here. I just hate it when ANY character who supposedly is a main line character, gets wrote poorly, or has stuff left out that makes them less than 3 dimensional.