The Cam and Vala discussion thread

[Pitry]

The truly sad thing is that there are so many gifted, talented, wonderful writers out there who could write their way out of the proverbial box that the B@B can't seem to find *their* way out of... what a waste. To hire fantastic actors and give them c**p to work with.

Dear Santa,
All I want for Christmas is some fresh writers who will give Atlantis a chance for redemption in season 4. Oh, and if it's not too much trouble, could you give someone a swift kick in the pants for what they did to my favorite show? I don't think that coal and switches are enough.
Sincerely,
Nola

IMO, judging by season 3, SGA can do just fine with the writers it currently has. It's show running I'm concerned about.

As for SG1 writers... well, sorry, don't share the doom and gloom. I still enjoy their writing. New blood can't hurt - I think Carl Binder and Martin Gero have done wonders on Atlantis,a nd it's always good to get some more talent into the mix. But a mixture of old and new writers seems to be the best option.

[esoap524]

they did get two very good actors

i just wish they'd have been given better characters to play.

it's sad to see such talent wasted

I like the concept of the characters themselves but they could be better, more consistently written characters.

I've read a lot of fan fic involving Vala and Cam; granted, it is fan fic but I think most of it is better written than the show, character-wise. It hits the essence of what the writers were probably going for in these two with more depth than what we see onscreen.

And, indeed!, about the talent part.

[Nolamom]

I'd say that Atlantis has suffered from some, shall we say, uneveness? Certainly not the death spiral of SG-1 season 9. I've great admiration for Binder. But he can't write every episode. He does have a deft hand at paying attention to the fact that he has an entire ensemble of characters - not just one or two to play with. Too bad the B@B couldn't get tht mindset with SG-1 when it might have made a difference.

[Skydiver]

i think that's part of the issue. a lack of balance

in SGA, well we got shep the irreverant cocky hero, ranting rodney...whom the writers seem to obsess over and devote eps to eps to


and then there's miss maternal permissive weir, teyla the pretty scenery, ronon the bulky muscle who pretty much get ignored unless they're used to facilitate shep and rod's stories.

same problem as SG1. These writers - or most of them - don't seem able to handle writing more than 1-2 characters at a time. And then, to make matters even more boring, they write them in the same comfort zone, over and over and over.

thus shep is always disobeying weir, rod keeps ranting, weir keeps rolling her eyes, teyla sighs at shep and ronon is mindless testosterone laced muscle most of the time

It's boring, it's predictible

On the sg1 side, cam and teal'c go off to play studly, vaniel run off traisping thorugh the daisies and sam is pushed aside until they need someone to say the big words.

and they don't change this up. Sam never goes off with cam, teal'c never goes off with vala, daniel never goes off with cam, sam never goes off with vala.

it's just repetative pairings over and over and over, accentuated with trite and cookie cutter scripts with paint by number storylines


and then they wonder why folks are bored with the show and change the channel

[pittsburghgirl]

and it just freaking amazes me that these guys appear so dense about what is going on.

how can they not be aware of what is actually bothering the viewer?

[Skydiver]

see that sandbar over there with all those little holes?????


they see what they want to see and hear what they want to hear. and they think what they're doing is spectacular and super and fantastic. And maybe it is....problem is, john q general viewer doesn't share thier definition of spectacular, super or fantastic

[full.infinity]

Am I the only one who doesn't see the writers trying to attach Daniel to Vala?

[majorsal]

Am I the only one who doesn't see the writers trying to attach Daniel to Vala?

and am i the only fan that doesn't dig it?





sally

[Nolamom]

Am I the only one who doesn't see the writers trying to attach Daniel to Vala?

Quite possibly

and am i the only fan that doesn't dig it?
sally

Oh, I don't think so

[pittsburghgirl]

and am i the only fan that doesn't dig it?





sally

nope-you ain't

[Skydiver]

and am i the only fan that doesn't dig it?





sally

you are far from alone

Someone tell me...other than the eps where MS isn't in them...how often is vala paired with anyone BUT daniel?

As a rule, if MS is in the eps, Vala is paired with him. On a pretty consistent basis. you'd think they were still wearing those danged bracelets

[scarimor]

you are far from alone

Someone tell me...other than the eps where MS isn't in them...how often is vala paired with anyone BUT daniel?

As a rule, if MS is in the eps, Vala is paired with him. On a pretty consistent basis. you'd think they were still wearing those danged bracelets

The only time I get bored with Vala is when she's with Daniel. When she's interacting with the others I lurve her Especially with Sam and/or Teal'c.

[nekoi]

teal'c never goes off with vala,

LIES!!!

Teal'c & Vala have actually had their times of interaction. Off the top of my head, I recall the basketball scene, inwhich they amused themselves together at beating Cam & Daniel...
Then on the offworld mission in "Uninvited" (season 10), Vala & Teal'c fought one of those weird things together.

I can't fully recall any other times, but those events should at least alter your statement to change "never" to at least "loosely."

[Madeleine]

LIES!!!

Are you being tongue in cheek?

We have a tradition, on this planet, that if someone says something we consider is incorrect, we say to them "I think you've forgotten..." or "Well, maybe that's an exageration, because..." or something like that. We don't begin by saying they are lying

But ettiquette aside, it's a shame that there's nothing really *substantial* in the way of countering Sky's statement. Cos while Sky's statement can be countered by a basketball game and probably some other nice fluff, the sentiment behind it cannot: Vala and Teal'c may as well never be in the same shot as each other, for all the meaningful development the V-T relationship has been given and for all the worthwhile character-specific interaction they have had.

[nekoi]

You're very correct. I truly was kidding with the "LIES!!!" bit, but I should have been more polite.

I appologize, Skydiver & Madeleine_W; I truly meant it only in jest.

(My only excuse would be: It was my Symbiote. )

I do recognize that the V-T is rare (& CLOSE to nonexsistant), but if you'll reread my post, I was saying that it shouldn't say "never," as it has been touched upon more than once (the definition of "never," means less than once).