The Cam and Vala discussion thread

[ReganX]

I agree, he's much more tolerable this year, but just that...tolerable. I could do without him on the team and it's JMO. I enjoy the character Vala and wish they had just brought her onboard so it would be Sam, Daniel, Teal'c and Vala. Right now 5 is too much. Again...JMO.

Vala I could live with, and with good writing the character has a lot of potential. A four person team of Sam, Teal'c, Daniel and Vala could definitely be interesting.

[ParadoxRealities]

In Michael Shanks' defense... ahem, yeah... In Michael Shanks' defense, I don't think he's ever said that he likes Daniel/Vala. IIRC he said that he likes seeing a deepening friendship between them, but I honestly don't remember him solely pimping the ship angle.

personally i don't see the hypocrisy just in pimping the ship. to my interpretation, MS wasn't happy with the focus shifting to the two characters (Sam and Jack) period and thought that kind of shift wasn't good for the show. however, if someone would like to argue that the show then was more focused on Sam/Jack than the show now is focused on Daniel/Vala...

[Skydiver]

let's just say we never, NEVER had a shot of sam and jack skipping across the event horizon

[AGateFan]

let's just say we never, NEVER had a shot of sam and jack skipping across the event horizon

Thank God. See dont you maintain more respect for them because of the lack of this. Whereas it dimishes my respect for Daniel and pigtail girl.

[Skydiver]

yes. that's one reason i can very much live without onscreen resoultion to sam and jack

with these writers it'll be bad. horribly cliche and painfully bad (unless, if they do it - given the sheer disrespect and condescending attitude directed towards those that like sam and jack- the only way they can do it 'right' is if, if, if, rda comes back coop & co don't write any resoution. let rick and amanda write their own scene. they have style and class.)

the BAB are lacking in that. thier forte is cheap, tawdry and bawdy...which is everything sam and jack is not

let coop malign his own creations and leave the 'classic' characters alone

[SionnachOghma]

I don't know about Cam, but in my personal opionion I believe Vala brought SG1 back to life...

Half-life, maybe...kinda like Voldemort in Philosopher's Stone

[Starbuck]

What do you pinpoint as the time of death? Looking at the ratings, the show was very much alive in Season Eight. Was it Season Nine?

It is hard to pinpoint an actual season and or episode. The show was awesome in the beggining, I guess because something like it hadn't been done before...then the seasons went on and I guess it kind of got monotonous. They go through a gate, do a mission, then get back. Not much REALLY happening between each of the characters. Season 7 when daniel came back was a great contribution to pulling the show out of the slums, and then even Season 8 picked up a little (vala's introduction in this season showed a new side of Daniel that intrigued me). I read in a post earlier that the show started to focus a lot more on the jack/sam ship, (no complaints here) but we all knew we weren't going to get much out of it.
It's nice to see a different spin on things, and that spin was Vala and her impact to not only the way we now see daniel, but to the other characters aswell.
So like I said, its hard to pinpoint an exact moment in sg1 history when it 'died', but you can certainly see how it was brought back to 'life'.

[Skydiver]

'brought back to life' is a relative term.

to me, the changes haven't been all that pleasing and welcome, thus the changes don't = life to me.

s6 was the last time i sat down and eagerly awaited an episode each friday night. There were elements of 7 and 8 that i liked, but they have been getting less and less with each year

so while some feel that these changes have brought life into the show, there are others - like me - that believe these changes, amongst other things, have really killed it.

[Starbuck]

'brought back to life' is a relative term.

to me, the changes haven't been all that pleasing and welcome, thus the changes don't = life to me.

s6 was the last time i sat down and eagerly awaited an episode each friday night. There were elements of 7 and 8 that i liked, but they have been getting less and less with each year

so while some feel that these changes have brought life into the show, there are others - like me - that believe these changes, amongst other things, have really killed it.

That's fair enough. Each to their own opinion ay

[Madeleine]

It is pretty amusing that he is now a fan of ship.

Suse

Why do you say he's now a fan of ship? He's said that he doesn't want his character and valla shipped together. That was about a year ago. Has he said otherwise since?

[suse]

Why do you say he's now a fan of ship? He's said that he doesn't want his character and valla shipped together. That was about a year ago. Has he said otherwise since?

Sorry. Ship is too strong a word. Perhaps joined at the hip is a better term. IHe said something about a Tracy/Hepburn feel to it. In his dreams. IMO. YMMV I don't recall seeing any Tracy/Hepburn not being ship. <shrug>

So he's a fan of ship/not a fan of ship/something else.

Suse

[Dani347]

Tracy/Hepburn feel doesn't necessarily have to mean wanting ship, even if they played characters that were shipped. I'm sure there's more that can be said about characters that the actors played together than just that they were shipped.

[Tracy Jane]

Yeah, there's a lot more to a male/female dynamic than just ship.

Oh, and do you know how disconcerting it is to look up and see my name? I'm going "Huh? What have I done THIS time?!"

[scarimor]

Oh, and do you know how disconcerting it is to look up and see my name? I'm going "Huh? What have I done THIS time?!"

Guilty conscience, huh?

[ReganX]

So like I said, its hard to pinpoint an exact moment in sg1 history when it 'died', but you can certainly see how it was brought back to 'life'.

Actually, I don't see the show being brought back to life. I see the show cancelled after it's ratings dropped 25-30% over a season and a half.