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Originally posted by VSS View PostAnd when did SG-1 ever get the congressional medal of honor? That was like rubbing salt in a wound to me- not that Sg-1 ever cared about it. That medal of honor stuff was waaaaay over the top. It really did scream "He's a hero because Congress says he is!"
Originally posted by KatG View PostMOD NOTE:
Under the new VS, those of you who enjoyed S9/S10 are perfectly welcome to join in the discussion here in the S10 Critique and Contemplation thread. If you do however, you should expect reasonable, civil, well thought out counterarguments from those who play here regularly.
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Originally posted by Vladius View PostI'm so sorry for being sexist and insinuating that in any way you or anyone else is a fangirl because you had an outburst at the thought of something I didn't pick up on but was very shocking and required brain bleach for everyone involved. (And had something to do with shipping and someone being "very grateful.")
Seriously, it's not hard to guess from looking at you guys' sigs, avatars, etc.
EDIT for specifics:
I see: Flowers, mom, Mandy, Jasmin, "Shipper rewatch," compulsive giggling.
What am I supposed to think?
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Originally posted by Vladius View PostSo anyway...
Cameron Mitchell. Discuss.
Ooops, wrong thread.
Seriously though, what do you want to discuss about Cam Mitchell? Pose some questions or state a point for discussion.sigpic
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Originally posted by KatG View PostI'd much rather discuss Jack O'Neill. His hands, his feet, his eyes, his smile... *drifts off*
Ooops, wrong thread.
Seriously though, what do you want to discuss about Cam Mitchell? Pose some questions or state a point for discussion.
Here, I'll repost what I said.
I just think everybody is being a little too harsh on the writers. Yes, they needed a male lead, but the way it's portrayed isn't too bad.
Mostly I'm responding to people who say that he should be just a new member, and not the leader. It was his team. You don't get your command usurped by people that you chose to integrate.
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Originally posted by KatG View PostI'd much rather discuss Jack O'Neill. His hands, his feet, his eyes, his smile... *drifts off*
Ooops, wrong thread.
Originally posted by Vladius View PostI just think everybody is being a little too harsh on the writers. Yes, they needed a male lead, but the way it's portrayed isn't too bad.
Mostly I'm responding to people who say that he should be just a new member, and not the leader. It was his team. You don't get your command usurped by people that you chose to integrate.
I'm not trying to rehash any sexist comments/discussions that were made here ( I missed the entire conversation), but other than TPTB thinking that they would lose the coveted male demographic, what was the reason to give Sam's command away?
People have responded as to why they think he should have been a new member instead of leader, I really do recommend going back and reading our posts to get a clear idea of why we feel that way.Originally posted by CallistaAhhh! Ashizuri can see into the future!!
Originally posted by HPMomShe saw the candle light as many things.
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Originally posted by Ashizuri View PostBut why did they need a male lead? Why? Sam had proven herself to be a capable leader, and Daniel and Teal'c followed her lead far more often/willingly than they ever followed Mitchell's. The writer's didn't need a male lead, they wanted one because science fiction has an issue with strong women in a leadership role.
I'm not trying to rehash any sexist comments/discussions that were made here ( I missed the entire conversation), but other than TPTB thinking that they would lose the coveted male demographic, what was the reason to give Sam's command away?
People have responded as to why they think he should have been a new member instead of leader, I really do recommend going back and reading our posts to get a clear idea of why we feel that way.
It's clear she didn't want a command. There wasn't one to "give away."
Most of the viewers of the show are male, and they need someone to relate to to enjoy the show. It wouldn't be fun for anyone to see Sam or any woman get consistently beaten almost to death, but for an "average" guy like Mitchell it's expected.
I think you guys are looking at it a different way than I am. What I'm examining are the in-universe reasons for his leadership, and what you're examining are the writers' reasons for it.
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Originally posted by Vladius View PostWeren't we already discussing him?
Here, I'll repost what I said.
I just think everybody is being a little too harsh on the writers. Yes, they needed a male lead, but the way it's portrayed isn't too bad.
Mostly I'm responding to people who say that he should be just a new member, and not the leader. It was his team. You don't get your command usurped by people that you chose to integrate.
WHY
in Hades
did they need MALE lead?
Why was it 'his team'?
I recognize they had all the main characters back but O'Neill. (And honestly, by the time S8 rolled to the end, I was fine with RDA being gone, I thought it would improve the stories to not have to work around his crazy schedule. Geez, was I EVER wrong...) And wanted to use them in some capacity. I understand having 2 teams (your "SG-3") to follow would have made writing the stories harder. However...
There was no reason to put the character *as written* in charge of anything, much less SG-1, especially when SG-1 turned in to a team of veterans - one of whom had lead *that same team* for a year. He. Did. Not. Have. The. Proper. Training. As. Established. In. Canon.
Please explain, with examples taken from the show, how his leading improved their team function.
susesigpicMourning Sanctuary.
Thanks for the good times!
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Originally posted by Vladius View PostNo, they have zero problems with women in a leadership role. Stop seeing sexism where there is none. (Why would Elizabeth Weir and Samantha Carter be in charge of the lost city of Atlantis if that were true?)
It's clear she didn't want a command. There wasn't one to "give away."
Most of the viewers of the show are male, and they need someone to relate to to enjoy the show.
I think you guys are looking at it a different way than I am. What I'm examining are the in-universe reasons for his leadership, and what you're examining are the writers' reasons for it.Last edited by VSS; 24 April 2009, 08:28 AM.
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Originally posted by Vladius View PostNo, they have zero problems with women in a leadership role. Stop seeing sexism where there is none. (Why would Elizabeth Weir and Samantha Carter be in charge of the lost city of Atlantis if that were true?)
It's clear she didn't want a command. There wasn't one to "give away."
She didn't want a command? Why was she so pleased when she got SG-1 in S8? Why did she take a command at Area 51?
She came back because she was ordered back to Stargate Command.
Note she wasn't ordered on to SG-1. That came later. And came over as false (to me).
Most of the viewers of the show are male, and they need someone to relate to to enjoy the show. It wouldn't be fun for anyone to see Sam or any woman get consistently beaten almost to death, but for an "average" guy like Mitchell it's expected.
Right.
I think you guys are looking at it a different way than I am. What I'm examining are the in-universe reasons for his leadership, and what you're examining are the writers' reasons for it.
SGA off-topic:
Spoiler:The women who lead SGA didn't do much leading. They administrated. In Weir's case she was allowed to be -and was- over-ruled by Shep any time he decided it was a safety issue. Face it. The show was about energy-sucking aliens trying to eat humans. When *wasn't* it about safety? Sam was slightly better. But in an effort to integrate her they made to bend to Shep's knowledge too much. She listened to him, agreed with him and send him on his way. Whoop-de-do. Woolsey.. well at least they didn't allow him to lead either. But by that point imo they were just following the template set in earlier seasons. You know, the one where the Read Male Action Hero leads. At least on SG-1 Hammond was effective.
suseLast edited by suse; 24 April 2009, 08:30 AM.sigpicMourning Sanctuary.
Thanks for the good times!
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