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    Originally posted by astrogeologist View Post
    Just read this a Yahoo forum/list and thought I'd post it here for folks to view ('cuz it's right on topic)
    Spoiler:
    (RE RCC's latest interviewBut I have to say that
    listening to that interview gave me bad vibes about this guy and his
    attitude toward the audience.

    With regard to the Asgard turning over all their knowledge to humans, he
    said the only thing the fans really care about is that now the Odyssey now
    has "laser beams," that is, energy weapons.

    Regarding the episode "Unending," he said that the fans have always made a
    big deal about the importance of the team, and have emphasized how they want
    to see the team together, so he decided to give them the team being together
    for 50 years!

    Now, maybe he meant these comments as jokes, but to me he sounded
    patronizing and ungracious. I got the feeling his attitude is to try to
    manipulate the audience rather than win them -- that is, us -- by respecting
    the creative and emotional integrity of the show. This gives further
    support for the things that have been said on this list before, about
    Michell and Vala being brought in to draw Farscape viewers rather than for
    any reason internal to the creative energy of the show. This is the kind of
    "smart business decision" that can end up being extremely stupid, like the
    Hollywood moguls who try to put a movie together based on their disdainful
    opinion of what the audience wants and end up creating a hugely expensive
    box office bomb.

    <snip>

    The reason I find all this so ironic is that Mr. Cooper also went in to a
    long dissertation about why they chose to end the series with "Unending,"
    which in effect ended the series without ending it. He used the analogy of
    what would have happened if Star Trek had ended by crashing the Starship
    Enterprise and killing everyone, and said (I'm paraphrasing) how killing the
    characters in the minds of the fans would have killed their interest in
    episode repeats and the franchise in general.

    Apparently, Mr. Cooper doesn't realize that what he did to SG-1 in Season 9
    was like crashing the Starship Enterprise.
    Though he didn't kill off the
    individual characters, he killed the TEAM, which was the heart and soul of
    Stargate SG-1.
    Yes, Richard Dean Anderson left, and there was nothing that
    could be done about that, but the spirit of the team, and the relationships
    that existed between them, could have been respected so much better than it
    was. The two new characters, the failure to put Sam in charge of SG-1, the
    failure to respect the "ship" between Sam and Jack that had been established
    in earlier seasons, the way that Jack was treated as not just promoted to
    Washington but totally gone from everyone's emotional radar -- all that was
    just so untrue to the spirit of characters and the relationships between
    them. Even if RDA couldn't be on, couldn't they have mentioned Jack from
    time to time? Oh, I saw Jack when I was in Washington and he said
    such-and-such. And did we have to have the in-your-face insults to Sam/Jack
    ship, like the almost-kiss with Martouf in that many-copies episode, or the
    failure to so much as mention Jack even once in Unending? - post by LuzL
    Yep. The show has lost its charm. It was a show that had something for everyone. All I can say is the man is totally clueless.
    Odo's last wishes: cremate me, put me in my bucket, then shoot me through the wormhole.


    Rogue

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      Originally posted by astrogeologist View Post
      Just read this a Yahoo forum/list and thought I'd post it here for folks to view ('cuz it's right on topic)
      Spoiler:
      (RE RCC's latest interviewBut I have to say that
      listening to that interview gave me bad vibes about this guy and his
      attitude toward the audience.

      With regard to the Asgard turning over all their knowledge to humans, he
      said the only thing the fans really care about is that now the Odyssey now
      has "laser beams," that is, energy weapons.

      Regarding the episode "Unending," he said that the fans have always made a
      big deal about the importance of the team, and have emphasized how they want
      to see the team together, so he decided to give them the team being together
      for 50 years!

      Now, maybe he meant these comments as jokes, but to me he sounded
      patronizing and ungracious. I got the feeling his attitude is to try to
      manipulate the audience rather than win them -- that is, us -- by respecting
      the creative and emotional integrity of the show. This gives further
      support for the things that have been said on this list before, about
      Michell and Vala being brought in to draw Farscape viewers rather than for
      any reason internal to the creative energy of the show. This is the kind of
      "smart business decision" that can end up being extremely stupid, like the
      Hollywood moguls who try to put a movie together based on their disdainful
      opinion of what the audience wants and end up creating a hugely expensive
      box office bomb.

      <snip>

      The reason I find all this so ironic is that Mr. Cooper also went in to a
      long dissertation about why they chose to end the series with "Unending,"
      which in effect ended the series without ending it. He used the analogy of
      what would have happened if Star Trek had ended by crashing the Starship
      Enterprise and killing everyone, and said (I'm paraphrasing) how killing the
      characters in the minds of the fans would have killed their interest in
      episode repeats and the franchise in general.

      Apparently, Mr. Cooper doesn't realize that what he did to SG-1 in Season 9
      was like crashing the Starship Enterprise.
      Though he didn't kill off the
      individual characters, he killed the TEAM, which was the heart and soul of
      Stargate SG-1.
      Yes, Richard Dean Anderson left, and there was nothing that
      could be done about that, but the spirit of the team, and the relationships
      that existed between them, could have been respected so much better than it
      was. The two new characters, the failure to put Sam in charge of SG-1, the
      failure to respect the "ship" between Sam and Jack that had been established
      in earlier seasons, the way that Jack was treated as not just promoted to
      Washington but totally gone from everyone's emotional radar -- all that was
      just so untrue to the spirit of characters and the relationships between
      them. Even if RDA couldn't be on, couldn't they have mentioned Jack from
      time to time? Oh, I saw Jack when I was in Washington and he said
      such-and-such. And did we have to have the in-your-face insults to Sam/Jack
      ship, like the almost-kiss with Martouf in that many-copies episode, or the
      failure to so much as mention Jack even once in Unending? - post by LuzL
      So killing
      Spoiler:
      off one of the most popular races in the show just to get useless lasers is not like crashing the enterprise? Killing Janet, Jacob, Thor. Forgetting O'Neill ever existed or Hammond? Atlantis does a better job keeping O'neill alive.


      What good are lasers for a spaceship on a show about WALKING to other planets through the stargate?
      Joseph Mallozzi -"In the meantime, I'm into season 5 of OZ (where the show takes an unfortunate hairpin turn into "the not so wonderful world of fantasy")"

      ^^^ Kinda sounds like seasons 9 and 10 of SG-1 to me. Thor, ya got Aspirin?

      AGateFan has officially Gone Fishin (with Jack, Sam, Daniel, Teal'c) and is hoping Atlantis does not take that same hairpin turn.

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        Originally posted by AGateFan View Post
        So killing
        Spoiler:
        off one of the most popular races in the show just to get useless lasers is not like crashing the enterprise? Killing Janet, Jacob, Thor. Forgetting O'Neill ever existed or Hammond? Atlantis does a better job keeping O'neill alive.


        What good are lasers for a spaceship on a show about WALKING to other planets through the stargate?
        Ah come on, what do you expect, this isn't Stargate SG1 after all, its Star Trek SG1
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            My thoughts exactly.

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              Originally posted by Mandysg1 View Post
              Ah come on, what do you expect, this isn't Stargate SG1 after all, its Star Trek SG1
              Nope it isn't! Star Trek was better! Just MHO...

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                Originally posted by petemoretti View Post
                Nope it isn't! Star Trek was better! Just MHO...
                That really depends on which series.
                Signed,

                Gregorius
                Gateworld Forum Troublemaker Extraordinaire.


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                  Originally posted by astrogeologist View Post
                  Just read this a Yahoo forum/list and thought I'd post it here for folks to view ('cuz it's right on topic)
                  Spoiler:
                  (RE RCC's latest interviewBut I have to say that
                  listening to that interview gave me bad vibes about this guy and his
                  attitude toward the audience.

                  With regard to the Asgard turning over all their knowledge to humans, he
                  said the only thing the fans really care about is that now the Odyssey now
                  has "laser beams," that is, energy weapons.

                  Regarding the episode "Unending," he said that the fans have always made a
                  big deal about the importance of the team, and have emphasized how they want
                  to see the team together, so he decided to give them the team being together
                  for 50 years!

                  Now, maybe he meant these comments as jokes, but to me he sounded
                  patronizing and ungracious. I got the feeling his attitude is to try to
                  manipulate the audience rather than win them -- that is, us -- by respecting
                  the creative and emotional integrity of the show. This gives further
                  support for the things that have been said on this list before, about
                  Michell and Vala being brought in to draw Farscape viewers rather than for
                  any reason internal to the creative energy of the show. This is the kind of
                  "smart business decision" that can end up being extremely stupid, like the
                  Hollywood moguls who try to put a movie together based on their disdainful
                  opinion of what the audience wants and end up creating a hugely expensive
                  box office bomb.

                  <snip>

                  The reason I find all this so ironic is that Mr. Cooper also went in to a
                  long dissertation about why they chose to end the series with "Unending,"
                  which in effect ended the series without ending it. He used the analogy of
                  what would have happened if Star Trek had ended by crashing the Starship
                  Enterprise and killing everyone, and said (I'm paraphrasing) how killing the
                  characters in the minds of the fans would have killed their interest in
                  episode repeats and the franchise in general.

                  Apparently, Mr. Cooper doesn't realize that what he did to SG-1 in Season 9
                  was like crashing the Starship Enterprise.
                  Though he didn't kill off the
                  individual characters, he killed the TEAM, which was the heart and soul of
                  Stargate SG-1.
                  Yes, Richard Dean Anderson left, and there was nothing that
                  could be done about that, but the spirit of the team, and the relationships
                  that existed between them, could have been respected so much better than it
                  was. The two new characters, the failure to put Sam in charge of SG-1, the
                  failure to respect the "ship" between Sam and Jack that had been established
                  in earlier seasons, the way that Jack was treated as not just promoted to
                  Washington but totally gone from everyone's emotional radar -- all that was
                  just so untrue to the spirit of characters and the relationships between
                  them. Even if RDA couldn't be on, couldn't they have mentioned Jack from
                  time to time? Oh, I saw Jack when I was in Washington and he said
                  such-and-such. And did we have to have the in-your-face insults to Sam/Jack
                  ship, like the almost-kiss with Martouf in that many-copies episode, or the
                  failure to so much as mention Jack even once in Unending? - post by LuzL
                  Originally posted by Jackie View Post
                  Cooper has never struck me as the type who understands what Stargate fans like.

                  He's trekked to show to the point of no return. I get the feeling he has the impression of a Stargate fan to be, 15 to 40 year old male nerds who all know science and love cool new ships.

                  Long term Stargate fans are male and female, 15--55 years old who like the realistic appeal to the show. Stargate HAD a unique ablility to cross section a larger audience because it had both sci-fi tech, realistic military, strong characters with mythology embedded in the background.

                  Now, it's lost the mythology, the strong characters and the realisic military aspect and is solely a cool ship with big bad guys show.
                  Yeah
                  Spoiler:
                  I don't think he understands that people really loved the Asgard race. I couldn't care less if they got some cool space weapons and other tech, I would much rather have Asgards around. Sure they were a dying race, but mass suicide?! Come on!!


                  If he really thinks that people just watch the show cause of the tech and stuff and not the actual characters, the team, the story, the alien races, cultures, mythology and whatever else I can't come up with at this second. I think he has no place making this show/movies. I like cool tech and lot's of action, but what is it worth when the characters are flat and boring, just like the new "big bad" enemy? They forget that there was once a Sam and Teal'c on the team and Jack and Hammond still around somewhere, and Daniel has been replaced by his evil twin or something. Seriously, I loved Daniel in the early years, but the character has changed so much that I can't recognize him anymore. One thing that I really liked, and got me more intrested in, was the whole mythology, the Ancient Egypt. I am really interested these days to learn more about it than I was before I saw SG1.

                  The touch of realism, the interesting characters and stories are all gone. And like I said, if tech, big explosions and sexy characters is all they think SG1 fans are intrested in, then they shouldn't be making this anymore. I think SciFi fans are a lot smarter than they actually belive...

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                    Yeah, what i liked about SG1 was that it wasn't like your typical scifi show. If I wanted to watch Andromeda I'd watch that...

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                      Originally posted by Gregorius View Post
                      That really depends on which series.
                      Why TNG of course!

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                          Who said we disliked all explosions?
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                            i for one LOVED teh great brazilian conifer rain forest....with its 12 rented banana trees
                            Where in the World is George Hammond?


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                              Originally posted by Skydiver View Post
                              i for one LOVED teh great brazilian conifer rain forest....with its 12 rented banana trees
                              Just run a vine up a Hemlock and suddenly its Guatemala (or was it Nicaragua?)
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                                Originally posted by astrogeologist View Post



                                The reason I find all this so ironic is that Mr. Cooper also went in to a
                                long dissertation about why they chose to end the series with "Unending,"
                                which in effect ended the series without ending it. He used the analogy of
                                what would have happened if Star Trek had ended by crashing the Starship
                                Enterprise and killing everyone, and said (I'm paraphrasing) how killing the
                                characters in the minds of the fans would have killed their interest in
                                episode repeats and the franchise in general.
                                But...but does he not realize that several ST shows have managed to END without crashing the Enterprise and killing the entire crew? I know what he was trying to say was that to wrap it up in any real way would have hurt his pocket, but really-this analogy just sounded so stupid. And the explanation just greedy.

                                I didn't read his interview because I knew it would be full of things like this, and frankly I already think as little of him as possible, so why go there?

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