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**AGateFan** · 10 September 2006, 12:35 PM

Originally posted by ReganX

Would many networks be willing to take on the cost of the show - and I imagine that the need to secure the Sci-Fi channel's permission would only add to the cost - if the best they could expect was a 1.5 ratings average?

The drop has been pretty steep; Season Eight averaged 2.065, then there was a 1.96 ratings average for the first half of Season Nine, 1.73 for the second half and 1.51 (so far) for the first half of Season Ten. If a lot of people who dislike the changes are still watching, the numbers could end up dropping even further before they level off.

Hardly a tempting prospect for a network.

I imagine that anyone considering taking on the show would want to be pretty confident that the ratings would recover.

Also, if it moves we can expect the ratings to drop. I mean, after all, if one of the reasons for the ratings downfall is because the show changed timeslots, how the heck do they expect the fans to find the show on an entirely different network, likely on a different night

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**ReganX** · 10 September 2006, 12:39 PM

Originally posted by AGateFan

Also, if it moves we can expect the ratings to drop. I mean, after all, if one of the reasons for the ratings downfall is because the show changed timeslots, how the heck do they expect the fans to find the show on an entirely different network, likely on a different night

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Perhaps the network execs could hire people to visit viewer's houses every week and remind them of when and where the show is on.

In all seriousness, I can't see how the time change would cause any kind of significant drop. While there would be people who simply might not be available to watch at that time, I imagine that the vast majority of viewers would catch on to the time change after missing an episode or two. If they have trouble remembering, all they need do is check a TV guide or the Sci-Fi channel website.

If, however, they knew when the show was going to be on and chose not to watch it because it no longer appealed to them, that would be a different story.

**ParadoxRealities** · 10 September 2006, 01:03 PM

Originally posted by ReganX

If, however, they knew when the show was going to be on and chose not to watch it because it no longer appealed to them, that would be a different story.

but we all know that's never happens.

**AGateFan** · 10 September 2006, 01:09 PM

Originally posted by ParadoxRealities

but we all know that's never happens.

Not even stupid Americans?

**ReganX** · 10 September 2006, 01:10 PM

Originally posted by ParadoxRealities

but we all know that's never happens.

Of course not, Seasons Nine and Ten are the best ever and a series of bad circumstances - including, but not limited to the time change, competition, the unfair Nielsen system, the weather and magnets - bear full responsibility for the ratings drop.

**ParadoxRealities** · 10 September 2006, 01:11 PM

Originally posted by AGateFan

Not even stupid Americans?

nah, we use all our stupidity on not knowing when the show is on.

**ReganX** · 10 September 2006, 01:13 PM

Originally posted by AGateFan

Not even stupid Americans?

Aren't quite a few "stupid Americans" involved in producing the show?

**AGateFan** · 10 September 2006, 01:22 PM

Originally posted by ReganX

Aren't quite a few "stupid Americans" involved in producing the show?

Really?
The show is about Americans too, but they are all stupid too and boring and old.

**ReganX** · 10 September 2006, 01:24 PM

Originally posted by AGateFan

Really?
The show is about Americans too, but they are all stupid too and boring and old.

Boggles the mind.

**Crow T. Robot** · 10 September 2006, 03:13 PM

Originally posted by Zoser

Maybe we could get Mystery Theater 3000 to annotate it for us.
Where is Crow T Robot?

Right here. :>

I’ve been lurking.

All I have to say about Friday night’s episode is I salute the car that valiantly gave its life to try to end it early.

And why just MSK3000 “Bounty”?

You could start with “Morpheus” go straight in to “Insiders” and “Uninvited” and then hit “Menento Mori”. Something good and pure should come from those episodes. Don’t let the film they shot them with have died in vein.

**Crow T. Robot** · 10 September 2006, 03:22 PM

[QUOTE=ReganX]Would many networks be willing to take on the cost of the show - and I imagine that the need to secure the Sci-Fi channel's permission would only add to the cost - if the best they could expect was a 1.5 ratings average?[QUOTE]

Keep in mind too Dr. Who has done nothing but build too. I believe its season final pulled a 1.5 (it might have been higher). Dr. Who might very well be capable of pulling in similar rating at the fraction of the cost of SG-1.

As soon as I saw the ratings Dr. Who was pulling I knew this was SG-1’s final year.

**ReganX** · 10 September 2006, 03:25 PM

Originally posted by Crow T. Robot

Keep in mind too Dr. Who has done nothing but build too. I believe its season final pulled a 1.5 (it might have been higher). Dr. Who might very well be capable of pulling in similar rating at the fraction of the cost of SG-1.

As soon as I saw the ratings Dr. Who was pulling I knew this was SG-1’s final year.

Good point. If Dr Who brings in the same ratings - and presumably a similar income from advertising - as Stargate, but costs far less then even if the Sci-Fi channel are getting some profit from Stargate, I don't think anyone could blame them for going with a show that earns them more of a profit.

**esoap524** · 10 September 2006, 05:57 PM

Originally posted by Hubble

Why did the some Vala fans not like it? The Daniel fans over at Daniel central overwhelmingly absolutely loved it. I taped it and actually watched the Star Trek tribute on TV land instead. Those almost 40 year old episodes are still better witten than was MM, IMO. (I did end up watching it later)

As a Vala/Claudia fan...I was disapointed. It could have been so much more, an exploration of memory, real memory, how your past actions influence your current situation. It just seemed like a very disjointed story. I much preferred "Counterstrike" and "The Powers that Be" or even "Crusade" and the two "Avalons" for Vala characterization. I guess TPTB (the episode) gave me at taste of how those past actions affect the present.

"Memento Mori": "Remember that you are mortal," "Remember you will die," or "Remember your death". Wow...how much better could this episode have been.

Watching this show frustrates me because I know how good Black is--this is not to say I thought she wasn't good in this episode; it's just that the material is so lacking. Rather than go for anything thoughtful, the writers always seem to play to the lowest common denominator, the cheap joke.

Seriously, I thought the most heartfelt scenes were the scene at the beginning (the "date"), Daniel's conversation with Mitchell about how he knew Vala would survive, and the end where she has the "Daniel" moment. The rest was filler for the twinkie (boy, does that sound lascivious or what?) Frankly, I would have preferred it if Daniel had commandeered the bike and been handcuffed (not necessarily in his undies but still). That might have made more sense to me.

That's why this ardent Vala/Claudia fan was not overly enthused about the episode. It could have been more but...wasn't.

I'm very worried about "bounty" (which I wll of course watch anyway).

**Skydiver** · 10 September 2006, 06:13 PM

swiping my post from samanda

it would have been nice to have seen something more substantial with vala

such as she and teal'c, the 'lab rats' issues with him and sam, remarks about daniel and his thing for blended women, what precisely did athena and qetesh get up to?

i don't know if i posted my 'dream' scenario here or not but here goes

Spoiler:

if i had written the fanfic the epiosde was based off, that's how i woulda written it

**esoap524** · 10 September 2006, 06:25 PM

Originally posted by Skydiver

swiping my post from samanda

it would have been nice to have seen something more substantial with vala

such as she and teal'c, the 'lab rats' issues with him and sam, remarks about daniel and his thing for blended women, what precisely did athena and qetesh get up to?

i don't know if i posted my 'dream' scenario here or not but here goes

Spoiler:

if i had written the fanfic the epiosde was based off, that's how i woulda written it

I like that, actually. Some people have said there was a team feel to this one. I say--no way! There was way more team in Counterstrike, in Insiders, in...ah, heck, the one with the invisible stuff. Not in this one.

Ok, I'm a Farscape fan (you all already knew that, I bet). EVERYTHING there was hard fought--love, acceptance, etc. If you got the FS equivalent of the SG1 patch, whatever that might be, it's because you bled all over everything, probably had to denounce your past, probably saw your hopes and dreams fade before your eyes, probably did something horrible to a friend and had spent most of your existence paying for it...and you probably didn't even realize it.

I guess what ticked me off the most was how easily/readily Vala got that patch. I certainly do not mind her being accepted as a teammate--that much was obvious from the way the team's been reacting to her lately. They're all compassionate people and although she can be a real pain in the keyster, she's not evil and she hasn't done anything to betray them. They seem to like her, in spite of her personality flaws. I like those flaws, for the most part. But I didn't want her to be a team member because they've pretty much closed up her character arc now.

And I really would have loved to have seen Sam instrumental in the memory recall. I did love the "Daniel" part because it was very well played between Shanks and Black. I loved the fact that Daniel's still saying "not a date." Yeah, whatever, big guy, you like her. it's ok. Doesn't mean to you have to jump her bones or anything.

At any rate, I could have completely done without the diner and the cop. No point there. Even the stupid Athena thing (the actress was horrible, imo) didn't really resonate. Too much going on and not enough at the same time.

Very strange.

skydiver, I like your scenario better. Please give these nice, talented actors something interesting to do before I have to rewatch Farscape for the millionth time.

thank you for your patience

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