I just want to say that Season 10 was OK(but compare to the rest of the seasons it was below average) I didn't like that Vala was made into a main character, she just seem like she was thrown into the series and it was like here like her and deal with it. In season 9 she was very good cause it was only three main characters, because Sam was 'restation'(maternity leave)to Area 51, for the first six episodes, but in season ten I didn't like that they had 5 main characters(not including the Gen.) it was just to many characters for not enough show. The show seemed saturated after that.
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"Try a larger thermonuclear reaction?"
"Her words exactly."
"We are beacons on the road to enlightenment."
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Originally posted by Ashizuri View PostI've heard a lot of people say that because Mitchell's leadership was a technicality and that Sam was basically co-leader, there would have been no issue because neither of them actually commanded the other. The teammates thing seems to get glossed over unless it's being used against Sam/Jack, with Daniel/Vala, Sam/Teal'c, or Sam/Cam it never seems to be an issue.
It's an issue of degrees, I suppose, with a healthy dash of personal opinion, because though I tell myself it was a joint command to make myself feel better about it, when watching the show there is absolutely no question who is calling the shots. And it ain't Sam.
As for joint command, there is no such thing in the military. There has to be a clear decision maker, and Mitchell had command of SG-1. The joint command idea was backpedaling after people cried sexism over Carter's lost command. It was a comment made by one of the PTBs (Coop, right?) and never actually appeared on the show. Despite the conversation where Mitchell tells Landry that he really doesn't command anyone, he's still in charge. Period.sigpic
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Originally posted by scifithinker View PostA relationship isn't forbidden because people are members of the same team. It's forbidden when one is above the chain of command than the other.
As for joint command, there is no such thing in the military. There has to be a clear decision maker, and Mitchell had command of SG-1. The joint command idea was backpedaling after people cried sexism over Carter's lost command. It was a comment made by one of the PTBs (Coop, right?) and never actually appeared on the show. Despite the conversation where Mitchell tells Landry that he really doesn't command anyone, he's still in charge. Period.
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Originally posted by mapsc View PostActually, it was JM who mentioned co-command on his blog. He also said that both Sam and Mitchell reported to Landry. Of course, that was never stated on the show either. I think Joe was just trying to appease irate Sam fans. It didn't work with me.
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Originally posted by scifithinker View PostA relationship isn't forbidden because people are members of the same team. It's forbidden when one is above the chain of command than the other.
As for joint command, there is no such thing in the military. There has to be a clear decision maker, and Mitchell had command of SG-1. The joint command idea was backpedaling after people cried sexism over Carter's lost command. It was a comment made by one of the PTBs (Coop, right?) and never actually appeared on the show. Despite the conversation where Mitchell tells Landry that he really doesn't command anyone, he's still in charge. Period.
Honestly, the only time I see fraternazation rules come it to play is when it is being used to discuss why Sam and Jack shouldn't be together, but other than those two specific characters it never gets brought up.Originally posted by CallistaAhhh! Ashizuri can see into the future!!
Originally posted by HPMomShe saw the candle light as many things.
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Originally posted by Ashizuri View Post
a relationship between Sam and Mitchell is just as off limits as Sam and Jack. Like we've all said before, proper military protocal was thrown out the window in seasons 9 and 10.
Wonder how much involvement the AF had with seasons 9 and 10? Anyone know?
Honestly, the only time I see fraternazation rules come it to play is when it is being used to discuss why Sam and Jack shouldn't be together, but other than those two specific characters it never gets brought up.sigpicThanks to Oma-1 for the beautiful banner!
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Originally posted by Ashizuri View PostI was under the impression that while it wasn't forbidden it was certainly frowned upon, particularly when they served in a combat unit. Partiality could definately come into play.
Indeed. So while they may be of the same rank, Mitchell still commands and excerts power over her, QED, a relationship between Sam and Mitchell is just as off limits as Sam and Jack. Like we've all said before, proper military protocal was thrown out the window in seasons 9 and 10.
Honestly, the only time I see fraternazation rules come it to play is when it is being used to discuss why Sam and Jack shouldn't be together, but other than those two specific characters it never gets brought up.
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Originally posted by jckfan55 View PostThey claim the AF remained involved, but I maintain that the AF advisor was locked in a utility closet during shooting.Originally posted by CallistaAhhh! Ashizuri can see into the future!!
Originally posted by HPMomShe saw the candle light as many things.
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Originally posted by Ashizuri View PostI wonder what the AF has to say about that. They were always fairly vocal about their involvement and support of the show, but I didn't hear a peep out of them in the final seasons.
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Originally posted by Ashizuri View PostHonestly, the only time I see fraternazation rules come it to play is when it is being used to discuss why Sam and Jack shouldn't be together, but other than those two specific characters it never gets brought up.
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Originally posted by VSS View PostYeah, and after all these years of not applying it to anyone else AND ignoring a number of other rules, if they dredge that up again and somehow try to apply it in the future it'll be ridiculous. Not to mention a little infuriating if you're a S/J shipper.
I love them two but, again, with some of my issues with the characterization in those last years, I almost wish they'd leave it alone.you're so cute when you're slurring your speech but they're closing the bar and they want us to leave
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Originally posted by VSS View PostYeah, and after all these years of not applying it to anyone else AND ignoring a number of other rules, if they dredge that up again and somehow try to apply it in the future it'll be ridiculous. Not to mention a little infuriating if you're a S/J shipper.
But I see no way they can drag rules and regulations into it anymore. Sam isn't in Jack's direct chain of command anymore.Originally posted by CallistaAhhh! Ashizuri can see into the future!!
Originally posted by HPMomShe saw the candle light as many things.
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Originally posted by VSS View PostYeah, and after all these years of not applying it to anyone else AND ignoring a number of other rules, if they dredge that up again and somehow try to apply it in the future it'll be ridiculous. Not to mention a little infuriating if you're a S/J shipper.
Manipulating rules (in this case, those upheld by the Air Force) just to fit your characters and draw out drama annoys me.sigpicThanks to Oma-1 for the beautiful banner!
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Originally posted by Ashizuri View PostTop 5 Worst Stargate Characters:
2. General Landry. I was very excited when I heard Beau Bridges was coming to SG. I love his work and thought he would be a great general. He wasn't. The only time Landry worked for me was Continuum.
1. Vala Mal Doran. For me, Vala was the worst character addition and the nail in the "Stargate is now cliche and no longer worth an hour of my time" coffin. I rarely found her funny, often found her insulting, and hated her effect on one of my most loved characters.
Vala - *rips hair out* I've ranted so much about Vala I think I'll go mad if I start again... oh well here goes... most of the time she was insulting and just not funny but when a bit of effort was put in she was a good character and CB was amazing. I still don't think she should have been a regular and I think as a re-occuring character she would have had a lot more appeal. I still rate her above Mitchell (if you are desperate to know what I think of Mitchell check back on this thread)
Lam... omg... i would have paid the Ori to shoot her.
Originally posted by WishIwasJoes View PostTop 5 Worst Stargate Characters:
According to WishIwasJoes.
2. Pete. Not only did I not care if Sam had a life. I did not care for her taste in men. He was so nosey and clingly!Originally posted by Crazedwraith View PostYou know I was going to post a question to the people posting about Pete: Do you hate Pete as a character or just the "Carter's love life" sub-plot ? Because I can't remember Pete being all that objectionable.
Originally posted by jckfan55 View Post^for me the earlier seasons all had a few episodes I didn't particularly like, but they had good points. The meh ones were the exception. For me in S9/10 the *good* ones were the exception.
Originally posted by hedwig View PostPlus, the Sam/Cam thing would have just been sooooo wrong!"You are a child of the universe, no less than the trees & the stars; you have a right to be here. And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should... With all its sham,drudgery & broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world." - Baltimore, 1692
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