There But For the Grace of God (119)

[Dimes]

This episode was so cool!
Spoiler:
It's like the time traveling in the episode "1969".
Extremely cool, enough said! ^^

[LT. COL. John Sheppard]

I assume more things happen to Daniel because the others have military training and he really doesn't... and he has a certain curiosity that the others don't...

Re was killed at the end of the movie... as far as I am aware (Stargate movie commentary) the movie and series weren't made or written by same people, so the series had to follow where the movie left off...

yes yes i know that ra was killed on abydos i have seen the move 14 times but what im saying is its a alternate universe so why can't things have been different kinda like what happened in moebius

[Lunaeclipse]

yes yes i know that ra was killed on abydos i have seen the move 14 times but what im saying is its a alternate universe so why can't things have been different kinda like what happened in moebius

I assume that there is no Re because he died in the movie, so the makers of the show went in another direction with Appophis and as early in the series as this was that they wanted to stay on that story arc. Later on in the series, they may have felt it was time to head back to see Re.

[Sam-n-Jack-in-<3]

Ah yes, the first of many alternate timelines. Isn't it interesting that in nearly every single one, Sam and Jack are married/engaged/together? Just a thought...

[garhkal]

ANd in most of those one of the 2 is also not in the AF.

[Major Clanger]

oh I love the AR stories. This one was really quite shocking, and very sad.

Not much more to say about this except that my other half gets really really mad at Daniel touching and fiddling with stuff.

[Anoobis]

Sammy with long hair and Hammy not in command ... weird, but ... cool! I loved this episode, also seeing Aunt Kathy back in business was lovely. Also, O'Neill as a General ... they really had a sense of future-telling. It really happened.

[garhkal]

It does make me wonder, why Kathrine quit the program (so it seemed) in our reality..

[Anoobis]

Maybe she was in retirement age? Sammy is cuter anyway, so it's fine.

[Major Clanger]

when, though? during the 50s she wasn't really part of it. then she was in it when she recruited Daniel, then I guess she was either working on it in the background, or retired (she's no spring chicken when we first meet her) then after Ernest gets back I assume she retired with him.

[Lunaeclipse]

Ah yes, the first of many alternate timelines. Isn't it interesting that in nearly every single one, Sam and Jack are married/engaged/together? Just a thought...

...and Daniel went missing in Egypt...

[GusF]

This is my favourite episode of Season One. I'm very partial to stories about parallel universes / alternate realities - I'm a huge fan of the Star Trek mirror universe - and alternate history is one of my favourite genres so this was right up my alley. Aside from that, however, it also tells an excellent story which lays the groundwork for the series' first season finale. Like many of the best parallel universe / alternate history stories, it paints the picture of an Earth in turmoil and makes the audience realise just how much is at stake by showing us the worst of all worlds and the consequences of inaction.

For me, one of the most engaging and engrossing aspects of alternate reality stories in and out of Stargate is the fact that things are very often the same but different. Here, for instance, we have General Jack O'Neill in command of the SGA instead of Colonel Jack O'Neill in command of SG-1. His job isn't what is the most different about him, however. In most respects, his personality is much more similar to that of the film incarnation of Jack, which makes perfect sense as it was the events of the film which helped the normal version of Jack get his life back together and come to terms with Charlie's death. In no small part, that was due to Daniel's good influence on him. Without Daniel being there for him at a crucial juncture in his life, Jack is, quite frankly, a cold and nasty bastard who is much less likable (for most of the episode, anyway) and much more militaristic than the normal TV version of Jack whom he all know and love. Needless to say, he didn't commit suicide as he was planning to in the film so he must have found some way to deal with Charlie's death but I wouldn't be surprised if this version of Jack detonated the bomb on the surface of Abydos rather than beaming it aboard Ra's ship. He seems rather trigger happy as regards nuclear weapons. I don't think that our Jack would contemplate using them against an inhabited planet. Towards the end of the episode, however, the character shows some of our Jack's warmth and humour and I think that that may be due to Daniel's presence. He really brings out the best in Jack. Plus he can't be all bad if Sam is in love with him.

All of the other characters are more similar to their counterparts from the prime reality. With the exception of her hair and career path, the alternate Sam is practically identical to our Sam: a warm, extremely intelligent and capable woman who is always able to keep a completely level head in a crisis. Given her lack of military training, she is presumably somewhat less capable in terms of physical combat but that's the only real difference that I can think of between the Sams and it doesn't even really come up. Colonel Hammond is much the same as General Hammond, if slightly more severe though nowhere near as much as General O'Neill. His speech to his troops in the Gate Room commending them on their bravery and telling them that it was an honour serving with them is textbook Hammond. Of course, we don't see the alternate Daniel in this episode but he seems to have been much the same as our Daniel was prior to joining the Stargate program, if a bit less sensible for not accepting Catherine's offer.

When it comes to Teal'c, the biggest difference is really his ponytail. He is essentially the same man as our Teal'c was prior to the events of "Children of the Gods": a good man who is forced to play the role that his completely amoral society would have him play. I would attribute Jack's failure to convince him to turn against Apophis in this reality not to the differences in Teal'c's personality but the differences in Jack's. He may well have been more successful if he hadn't sent the bomb to Chulak, killing Drey'auc, Rya'c and (probably) Bra'tac in the process. I admit that I missed some of the subtlety in previous viewings but the look which this Teal'c gives Daniel in their only scene together speaks volumes about his character in my book and yet only communicates one single solitary word to Daniel: "run." He allows Daniel to escape through the Stargate because it's the right thing to do and, in my mind, deliberately avoided killing him by only shooting him in the arm so that he would have a chance to live on. It's a shame that he himself died only moments later, never knowing the life that he could have had as a member of SG-1.

One of this episode's greatest assets is the wonderful character of Catherine Langford as played (brilliantly) by Elizabeth Hoffman. While I was always a fan of Catherine, watching this episode and "The Torment of Tantalus" has made me appreciate just how great a character she was. It's such a shame that this is her final appearance on the series, notwithstanding the middle-aged version's brief cameo in "1969". I wish that she had appeared in at least two or three episodes per season, frankly.

Another thing that occurred to me about this reality is that its differences from the normal one mean that it's fairly unlikely that any of the events portrayed in the series to date happened here. Needless to say, the events of the Daniel- and Teal'c-centric episodes definitely didn't take place but I can't think of events from any other episodes which definitely did take place (especially since SG-1 is seemingly composed of entirely different people) except for the discovery of the Abydos cartouche and even that must have surely occurred under very different circumstances than those portrayed in "Children of the Gods".

One of the best episodes in the series' history.

10/10

[Falcon Horus]

Daniel really needs to learn not to touch random objects... ...it gets him into a heap a trouble more than he can count.

Anyhow, besides that I've always really enjoyed this episode and still do. Not much to say about it really, other than that seeing different realities is always fun. What's different? Who's different? What happened and what didn't? And poor Daniel stuck in the middle...

[damnflamingos]

Anyhow, besides that I've always really enjoyed this episode and still do. Not much to say about it really, other than that seeing different realities is always fun. What's different? Who's different? What happened and what didn't? And poor Daniel stuck in the middle...

I agree, I wish there were more episodes dealing with this. I understand that they limited it, I mean it would be kind of boring repeating yourself all the time, but it's just so much fun!

[garhkal]

After the events in S3 (iirc that was the other time we saw the mirror) did they ever destroy it, or just box it up?