It sounded like Chris Judge was the voice of the alarm warning in the station, but I can't confirm that anywhere, not here or on IMDB. Anyone know for sure?
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They should've just put Harlan out of his misery. He was totally wackedHitler, Stalin, and Mussolini => three of the world's worst dictators.
Also failed artist, failed priest, and failed grade-school teacher.
What we should learn: Don't trust artists, be wary of priests, and fear your teachers!
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I thought Tin Man was another great, under appreciated episode. This episode could be viewed several ways. One, it was a quirky twist on the classic story of Pygmalion, where the King of Cyprus, carves and then falls in love with the statue of a woman, his perfect woman, and the Goddess of Love, Aphrodite, brings her to life. In our story, Harlan brings the SG-1 team "to life", he makes them "better", perfect, in his eyes, and in his own way, he loves them. He is Pygmalion. Unfortunately, as is usually the case, not all love stories have a happy ending, as this one definitely doesn't. When the deception is revealed to Jack and the rest of the team, the only one who really has a problem with it, is Jack, both of them. The "better" Jack views it as a cruel joke and most definitely blames Harlan. He is bitter and frustrated, and vents his emotions on the perfect person, the person he is, the 'real" Jack.
I thought it was a great episode, because it explored some of the inner feelings of Jack, the troubling idea of being immortal, with no place to go, the thought of endless days, doing the same thing. And all the time knowing, you are someone else and belong somewhere else. At the end, when the "real" Jack tells them to bury the Gate, I think we all knew the Gate wouldn't be buried and we would one day meet the "better" SG-1 team again.
OK, I'm beginning to feel like I'm writing a treatise. Sorry, sometimes I get carrried away.
Of course, you could view it as a trip to Oz, with Jack as the scarecrow, looking for a brain, Daniel, the cowardly lion, looking for some courage.....naw, on second thought, both Teal'c and Sam already have a heart, only Teal'C was looking for a way home, to freedom.
I'm finished. Aren't you happy?"After all is said and done, more is said, than done." - Unknown
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Originally posted by BelieverI thought Tin Man was another great, under appreciated episode. This episode could be viewed several ways. One, it was a quirky twist on the classic story of Pygmalion, where the King of Cyprus, carves and then falls in love with the statue of a woman, his perfect woman, and the Goddess of Love, Aphrodite, brings her to life. In our story, Harlan brings the SG-1 team "to life", he makes them "better", perfect, in his eyes, and in his own way, he loves them. He is Pygmalion. Unfortunately, as is usually the case, not all love stories have a happy ending, as this one definitely doesn't. When the deception is revealed to Jack and the rest of the team, the only one who really has a problem with it, is Jack, both of them. The "better" Jack views it as a cruel joke and most definitely blames Harlan. He is bitter and frustrated, and vents his emotions on the perfect person, the person he is, the 'real" Jack.
Incidentally, 'disturbing' is an adjective that seems to come up a lot in relation to this ep. It has some heavy implications in various sciences, as well: robotics, AI, and genetic engineering, to name a few.
I'm finished. Aren't you happy?
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Originally posted by zatsInteresting point. What I don't think the myth ever explained (at least not in the version I read) was if Galatea was happy having been brought to life. I remember hearing somewhere that it'd be somewhat disturbing to be deliberately created as perfect, and this episode answered that question nicely: very disturbing. Would you want to be perfect?
Incidentally, 'disturbing' is an adjective that seems to come up a lot in relation to this ep. It has some heavy implications in various sciences, as well: robotics, AI, and genetic engineering, to name a few.
Terribly.
As for whether I would want to be perfect? In the abstract, wouldn't we all, but in reality, never. But I have nothing to fear, as my chances of achieving perfection are slim to nil.
I too believe Tinman was an under appreciated episode. It did bring up many other issues, if not directly, then by association, in particular, those you named. My primary emotion at the end of the episode was one of profound saddness.
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Originally posted by zatsThe 'nothing to strive for' business would explain whySpoiler:in 'Double Jeopardy' we discovered that the droids had been off galivanting. With nothing to work for, the only options would be to sit and twiddle your thumbs for eternity.
Heru'ur is a God, he will rise and take revenge
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Originally posted by Elite Anubis Guardthis episode really bored me. I found the whole thing annoying and tiring."A society grows great when old men plant trees, the shade of which they know they will never sit in. Good people do things for other people. That's it, the end." -- Penelope Wilton in Ricky Gervais's After Life
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Originally posted by AtteriaI too believe Tinman was an under appreciated episode. It did bring up many other issues, if not directly, then by association, in particular, those you named. My primary emotion at the end of the episode was one of profound saddness.
"Tin Man" was an insightful look at what it means to be human and the dilution of identity that can result from new technology and medicine. It's this kind of thoughtfulness that I've really missed over the years as Stargate has become less about ideas and more about explosions and one-liners. The moral dilemmas raised here and in other early episodes like "Holiday" and "Serpent's Song" may be "depressing" but the strength of Stargate is in the life-affirming moments that accompany even the most disturbing situations. Alas, we've been starved of "depressing" episodes for far too many years."There is simply no other choice than this: either to abstain from interference in the free play of the market, or to delegate the entire management of production and distribution to the government. Either capitalism or socialism: there exists no middle way."
-Ludwig von Mises
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Tin Man is one of those slightly tear jerking episodes which makes it quite a good one ( although the sequel is without a doubt 1000000 times better).
This also had the message that nobodys perfect and perfection comes at a cost basically one of those eps that just plainly sets moral standards. BTW it was funny when the 2 Carters met and Harlan Rules!!!!Oh Yes the Sam is Back and hes more Sci-fied up than ever !!!!!!!!!
Coming Soon a new Banner from Me
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COMTRIA!!!!!!
I love this ep.
"It is .... better".
I am sure Carter and Daniel could live happiley exploring that planet, assuming there is more then we see there but O'Neill and Teal'c would be bored out of their minds. Too bad the others died I think they could have been a great resource to some fancy tech.Joseph Mallozzi -"In the meantime, I'm into season 5 of OZ (where the show takes an unfortunate hairpin turn into "the not so wonderful world of fantasy")"
^^^ Kinda sounds like seasons 9 and 10 of SG-1 to me. Thor, ya got Aspirin?
AGateFan has officially Gone Fishin (with Jack, Sam, Daniel, Teal'c) and is hoping Atlantis does not take that same hairpin turn.
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