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**atlantis_babe34** · 24 February 2008, 11:46 PM

Another good one From Savage Garden Called Hold Me

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And I Adore this song (Gots lots of Innuendo)

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EDIT: Holy bleep CQ! thats straight to the point! Excellent anaylsis!

**Jumble** · 24 February 2008, 11:52 PM

Originally posted by DutchIndeed View Post

Well Done Ship Family!!

Oookay......this is weird. My page count says 4002. So are there 2000 pages hidden somewhere I don't know about? Keeping secrets from me Shippers? What could be in there............major guttery stuff that you think my delicate ears can't take???? Nekkid pics of Jack? C'mon, I'm brave, I can deal with it, honest!

Edit: 2000 nekkid pics of Jack?? *dives into gutter* *sigh* thats my fron fried for the rest of the day.

**atlantis_babe34** · 24 February 2008, 11:54 PM

Originally posted by jumble65 View Post

Oookay......this is weird. My page count says 4002. So are there 2000 pages hidden somewhere I don't know about? Keeping secrets from me Shippers? What could be in there............major guttery stuff that you think my delicate ears can't take???? Nekkid pics of Jack? C'mon, I'm brave, I can deal with it, honest!

Edit: 2000 nekkid pics of Jack?? *dives into gutter* *sigh* thats my fron fried for the rest of the day.

i had nothing to do with it i swear! anyways i don't visit the gutter that oftern *couhgs*

**Chocolatequeen** · 24 February 2008, 11:54 PM

Originally posted by TrueRomantic View Post

See, I simplify the need to think of a new name for each site. If you go to any site I belong to, my name will be TrueRomantic. I think I had to make it TrueRomantic1 for one site, but I don't remember which. My memory doesn't work so well when it comes to that sort of things. So, if you ever see TrueRomantic on a site, chances are, it's me.

Same here. Chocolatequeen was a nickname given to me my freshman year of college, which coincidentally fell right before I really got involved with the internet. I've used the screen name pretty much everywhere ever since.

Originally posted by Bekki View Post

Fantastic analysis, CQ! For the bolded part, I think maybe Jack didn't let her continue so that she wouldn't have to live through it. In Affinity, Jack could have told her he loved her and not to marry Pete, but he didn't. Why? Because he wanted her to be happy with Pete. Maybe in Lost City, Jack didn't want Sam to say she loved him because he still wanted her to be happy. She didn't have to jeapordise what she had with Pete just to say she loved a man who was going to die anyway. Jack never likes to ruin Sam's chances of being happy. And I definitely agree that he is doing it to try and lessen her grief when he does die.

Such a good post, Nancy! GREEEEEEN

Exactly! Jack's first concern is always her happiness. He's never been 100% certain that being with him could give her that, which is IMO why he never stood up and told her to stop dating Pete. It doesn't take much extrapolation to conclude that if he thinks telling her he loves her is going to make her more sad about his imminent death, or is going to cause her to give up whatever happiness she gets from being with Pete, then he's not going to do it. I do understand it... but I still want to knock him upside the head with a 2x4.

Silly man! Doesn't he realize that nothing would make her happier than hearing him say he loves her?

Jumble, you must have your forum settings set differently than the standard. I think you can tell it how many posts you want on each page. The default is 20, which puts us on page 6003 right now. I'm guessing you've got yours set at 30.

**Jumble** · 25 February 2008, 12:11 AM

Originally posted by Chocolatequeen View Post

Jumble, you must have your forum settings set differently than the standard. I think you can tell it how many posts you want on each page. The default is 20, which puts us on page 6003 right now. I'm guessing you've got yours set at 30.

Got it! Thanks CQ.

so

CONGRATS EVERYONE
ON A HUMUNGOUS 6000 PAGES!!!!

(But I have to admit, I'm a bit disappointed that there aren't 2000 secret pages.....................just have to use my imagination I guess

)

**Bekki** · 25 February 2008, 12:19 AM

Originally posted by jumble65 View Post

Got it! Thanks CQ.

so

CONGRATS EVERYONE
ON A HUMUNGOUS 6000 PAGES!!!!

(But I have to admit, I'm a bit disappointed that there aren't 2000 secret pages.....................just have to use my imagination I guess

)

Imagine what could be on those 2000 secret pages

-secret blue prints to Ship Ship Hooray Special Ops Team's secret missions
-manips that were just to hot for the forum
-interviews with real life penguins
-jack
-jack nekkid
-...that last one was enough...I can't think anymore *splash*

**atlantis_babe34** · 25 February 2008, 12:28 AM

Damn Girl!

i was reading It's Too Soon To Tell and i'll put it in spoilers cus i dunno if poeple are reading it and dont wanna be spoiled but anywhoo

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I told you in the gutter all day! lol

**mara-anni** · 25 February 2008, 12:29 AM

Hi shippers!!

Originally posted by Alan View Post

Just wanted to play... (spoilered for size):

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ROFL!!!! That was great!!

Originally posted by JackandSamAddict View Post

Okay ship family...you guys talk too much. I HATE having to work on a day when I was supposed to be off. That sucks...I could go on an OT rant about my office manager...but I won't.

1.

"Look, I'm sorry to bother you with this, but, uh ... see, there's actually a very good reason that I'm bothering you with this, and if I don't tell you now, I might never ..."
2. Wow...that's a hard one...
My profile...just click on favorite stories!

3. Ahh...one that's been playing on my iPod all night...Iris by the Goo Goo Dolls...

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OR how about my favorite Elvis song ever? Only Fools Rush In.

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4. I think he would be nervous like any man. (I swear, it happens every time they see that ring in the box...)

He would be nervous. Even though he knows she'll say yes.
"So...uh...you know I've been thinking...about you know. About you and me. I was just hoping that you would...do me the honor of spending the rest of your life with me." Okay...so that was totally just cheesey and stupid. But I like both of those!
5. "Yasureyoubetcha!"

Oooooh, I love those songs too

Originally posted by Bekki View Post

aaaah! 35 minutes since last post!

Jess - I can't think of any good songs to change the words to

My fron is fried!!!

Hey, I know something we haven't seen in a while

CHEVRON CHRONICLE

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Ok..that was...long...

LOL!!!!!!! hehehehe.....I love the Chevron Chronicles

Yay!

**Chocolatequeen** · 25 February 2008, 12:31 AM

Welcome to the Super-Sekrit Missing Pages. This is where we hide all the truly guttery posts that we don't want the forum at large to see.

On your right you'll find the guttery captions, on the left are accidental gutter moments, and straight ahead is nekkid Jack.

**Jumble** · 25 February 2008, 12:35 AM

Originally posted by Bekki View Post

Imagine what could be on those 2000 secret pages

-secret blue prints to Ship Ship Hooray Special Ops Team's secret missions
-manips that were just to hot for the forum
-interviews with real life penguins
-jack
-jack nekkid
-...that last one was enough...I can't think anymore *splash*

Oh, make it worse, why don't you *glug glug*

(I have to WORK now, with these images in my head, Oy!!

**Jumble** · 25 February 2008, 12:38 AM

Originally posted by Chocolatequeen View Post

Welcome to the Super-Sekrit Missing Pages. This is where we hide all the truly guttery posts that we don't want the forum at large to see.

On your right you'll find the guttery captions, on the left are accidental gutter moments, and straight ahead is nekkid Jack.

RITGLMAO! Oh stop! You're killing me! I HAVE to concentrate! Five children to look after to day, with THIS in my fron

And the youngest one is called JAMIE not JACK, as I just called him!

That's it, going now.......see y'all later.

**mara-anni** · 25 February 2008, 12:56 AM

Originally posted by jumble65 View Post

Got it! Thanks CQ.

so

CONGRATS EVERYONE
ON A HUMUNGOUS 6000 PAGES!!!!

(But I have to admit, I'm a bit disappointed that there aren't 2000 secret pages.....................just have to use my imagination I guess

)

I know there was something I was gonna say...something about Yay shippers....but then....Your sig Jumble

....*stares* *drools* THUNK!!!!

Originally posted by Chocolatequeen View Post

Guess what I get to start tonight.

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More on Lost City coming up after I rewatch it... which I'm going to do right now.

I agree. I don't think Sam ever thought for a moment that she wasn't in love with Jack. It's clear IMHO that she loves him and she knows it all along. That she knows it even as she begins dating Pete and she knows even as she accepts his proposal.

She's in love with him the whole time. But, she doesn't think he's in love with her. In fact she's fairly certain that he isn't. And so she makes a conscious decision to move on. To try and find a relationship with someone else, even though she's in love with Jack, she's tired of being alone. Why should she deny herself somebody who might care about her in the way she wants Jack too, but thinks he doesn't.

So when we get her concern in Heroes and LC we get to see the Sam who is still in love with Jack. It doesn't mean she didn't care about Pete. And it doesn't mean that she didn't have fun with Pete and he didn't make her feel good. Clearly he did. But you don't need to LOVE somebody in order to have a good time with them.

Sam though was desperate to try move on. She didn't want to be in love with Jack anymore than Jack wanted to be in love with her. She couldn't help it. Pete was her desperate attempt at 2 things. To have someone who cared about her, emotionally and physically. And to find someone to desperately try to pin the love she had for Jack onto...to try and transform her love for Jack into love for someone else who loves her back.

It doesn't work though and she knows it. By the time we get LC I think she knows it will probably never work. Then we get Affinity where we see one last attempt to reach out to Jack, to get him to stop her, to see if maybe he still does feel anything. But if anything he encourages her - again - and she finally decides that's it he feels nothing for me.

And then she sees Pete...he's just done a pretty good job professionally. He's had a slight glimpse into her crazy life and he handled it pretty well (keep in mind I hate Pete, but the Truth is the Truth). Remembering that while she's confident proffessionally and scientifically is still not at all so confident in her love life. She sees Pete's taking things pretty well and he's helped out when she asked. She's just had that painful conversation with Jack that proved - in her mind - that she was right and Jack doesn't love her. So IMHO it's only natural that she decide "what the heck, I could do worse. I'll never have the man I want, the man I love, so why not settle for a man I care about. A man who clearly loves me, knows what I do and handled it pretty well. Lets face it...I may never get another shot." Maybe it's not fair on Pete, but would she have been fair to herself if she remained alone for the rest of her life pining for a man who doesn't love her back?

Of course then there's Threads...where the wedding looms closer and the reality of what it means to be MARRIED to someone begins to sink in. She realises that, fair on her or not. She's going to be have to be alone the rest of her life if Jack doesn't want her. Coz she realises her feelings for Jack will never change, never fade and never quieten. And she would be miserable for the rest of her life if she lived with a man she didn't love, whether she cared about him or not.

**starlover** · 25 February 2008, 01:24 AM

Originally posted by Bekki View Post

Imagine what could be on those 2000 secret pages

-secret blue prints to Ship Ship Hooray Special Ops Team's secret missions
-manips that were just to hot for the forum
-interviews with real life penguins
-jack
-jack nekkid
-...that last one was enough...I can't think anymore *splash*

Rofl...that's why I fainted after seeing those 2000 pages

and you forgot the real life BHK and BHW are on those pages...

*pops out again*

**Chelle DB** · 25 February 2008, 01:32 AM

Originally posted by Oma-1 View Post

4. Jack plans a romantic dinner - candles - the works, with military precision. Then takes one look at Sam as she arrives on his doorstep and blurts it out....Marry me!

Oh yes!!!! I can so see that happening!!!!

Originally posted by Alan View Post

Just wanted to play... (spoilered for size):

Spoiler:

RITGLMAO....well done Alan!!!!

Originally posted by RepliCartertje View Post

ETA: WOOOOOOT 6000 PAGES
and for once i am happy to be the first on it

WooHoo...WTG Shippers!!!
6000 pages!!!!!

120,000 posts...AWESOME!!!

Originally posted by mara-anni View Post

Hi shippers!!

Hey Mara!! You know I always get worried when I don't see you around much...how's things???
Big hugs to the little one!!!

Won't be staying long tonight...I need to catch up on some reading...sorry...but hope you all had a great day!! Take care and have fun.
(((ShipFamily)))

**mara-anni** · 25 February 2008, 01:56 AM

Originally posted by Chocolatequeen View Post

This is it... the one you've all been waiting for... CQ's Lost City Analysis!

This was a great post CQ. And while there's a lot I agree on. I see a few things differently I'm afraid.

I didn't see Jack's invitation to her at all. And IMHO Jack wasn't ready to talk to her. I don't think he wanted to talk about them at all. When he says she could have called. Well she could have called to talk to him coz he doesn't want to talk to her about anything they can't talk about over the phone. Also coz he would really rather her not be there in person. I think it makes it harder for him to keep that distance from her when she's right there in his own home.

But Jack is conflicted. He doesn't want her there coz he doesn't want to talk about his impending demise or 'them' but he does want her there coz despite everything he loves her and likes her company. So when he gives her the beer and she nearly leaves he tells her to drink it and that she'll have to stay at least an hour after, coz he feels bad about his abrupt shooting down of her obviously awkward attempts at conversation. He can see that he's hurt her, that she thinks he doesn't want her around and even though he goes out of his way to hide his true feelings for her, he does still want her know that he cares about her...he just wants her to think it's plutonic.

She's trying - in her own rather inept way - to tell him how she feels about what's happened to him and he keeps giving it a professional twist. She can't feel pleased at his professional adoration of her coz she fears that that professional adoration doesn't extend to the personal. She can't see it the way we can...where it's so clear to us that she's not just a treasure to his country, but to him. And she can't feel pleased about her professional value to the world being the cause of his being the expendable one. Coz she doesn't think he's expendable, not professionally and certainly not personally. I don't think she was gonna profess her love for him...but I do think when he said it would be worth it if they got everything they'd been looking for that she was going say to say that it wouldn't have been worth it to her. Which IMHO is one of the many JackandSam speak for "I love you".

Sir I think you should know that Hammond authorised me to take commmand if I determined that you...

Do it now

I don't think that's necessary

I trust you

I think you're right here. He trusts her implicitely. For Jack that is an extraordinalry admission. And in fact for Jack, it's an extraordinary emotion. You could probably count the amount of people he trusts on one hand...maybe less...coz while he trusts Daniel for example, he doesn't trust him in everything. Sam though he trusts in everything. He trusts his team to her, he trusts her abilities and skills, he trusts the fate of the world to her; but more than this...as he's losing his mind and his autonomy (he is already losing control of his actions)...he entrusts himself to her.

I'll make it easy for you. I resign, you're in charge.

Okay. Sir, at your house, before Daniel and Teal'c showed up. What I was gonna say was

I know.

This I saw a little differently. I think what he's making easy for her is actually taking command...taking HIS command. And I think he knows that Sam would feel like she was betraying him if she took command. Not that she wouldn't if the time came...but I do think she would feel guilty about it. So he tells her he trust her. ANd then he tells her he'll make it easy for her to take command...he'll take the decision out of her hands and make it himself, right now. I don't think he was was deliberatly making it easy for her to jump back into the 'them' discussion. As I said before I don't think he wants to have it. IMHO, it's Sam who ceases the opportunity to go back there. And just like he is about to do at his house when T and D saved him the trouble, and just like he was about to do in his backyard in Threads with his "Look Carter, I don't..." He cuts her off with an ambiguous "I know."

I do agree though that he does it coz he wants her to be happy. Jack, I don't think, ever thinks he can make her happy and hopes that someone else...most recently Pete... can. I'm not sure about the sparing her the pain of his admission thing. If he allows her to say it they can't ever pretend she didn't, if he allows her to say it it would just hurt her more when he didn't say it back. And although they both know he may not make it out alive, they've both had enough close calls to know there is always a chance. And so Jack won't say it back. So he cuts her off. Sam, of course, is left with the "what the heck does I know mean really?!" confusion. Remember she doesn't see his love for her the way WE do.

And she lets him interrupt her, she lets him continue to 'keep it in the room' in a way she doesn't seem willing to in Theads where she keeps talking right over him, not letting him stop her...coz she may never...and then Kerry stops her in her tracks.

Perhaps though that says enough. So much of the ship in this episode was about them saying things by not saying them. It's only now, when nothing more can be said, that everything is said.

This was beautifully said...and I couldn't agree more *sigh*

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