Daniel Jackson/Vala Mal Doran Ship/Discussion/Appreciation Thread

[marbleC]

Hey, guys...I just got news that our dear friend Toomi was sent back to the hospital, which is why she hasn't been around lately. She should be back home Friday, but let's all send some prays and well wishes her way for a speedy recovery. She gives everyone a wave

-Stef

That's awful. I hope she feels better. She'll be in my thoughts until we hear from her again.
Do you know what's wrong with her?

[Stef]

That's awful. I hope she feels better. She'll be in my thoughts until we hear from her again.
Do you know what's wrong with her?

Not entirely sure. All I know is that she had to go in for surgery I'm just hoping that she'll be okay...I knew she had made a trip to the hospital once before...but then she was back home and said that she was feeling better.

-Stef

[marbleC]

Not entirely sure. All I know is that she had to go in for surgery I'm just hoping that she'll be okay...I knew she had made a trip to the hospital once before...but then she was back home and said that she was feeling better.

-Stef

That really sucks. I hope she's gonna be alright.

[Anjirika]

*shakes head* This thread goes by FAR to fast for me to keep up with.

G'night fruitcakes...

[Stef]

Fast??? No, no...not fast enough, I say!!

Night!

-Stef

[Odakota_Rose]

Nah, no other targets I'm afraid. Well...unless you count Cat *eyes Cat suspiciously*
-Stef

Well I would target dearest Cat, but it's just not right to start poking your twin sister about making stuff when she's not even here. Uhh... Well Milena's here anyway!
*pokes her* You. Make fic!
</Cave!Lauren moment>

EDIT: Scratch that, I see you Cat

Hey, guys...I just got news that our dear friend Toomi was sent back to the hospital, which is why she hasn't been around lately. She should be back home Friday, but let's all send some prayers and well wishes her way for a speedy recovery. She gives everyone a wave

-Stef

Oh no... I was hoping she would be feeling better by now.. I'll definitely keep her in my thoughts and prayers.

[CrazyLikeaFox]

You betta! Oh btw, your Xmas present was mailed a good while ago, the crazy lady at the Postage place said it might take 1-2 weeks...if it doesn't get lost She filled me with confidence that one...

You are legendary Milena thank you so very much!!!!!!

Also thoughts with Toomi hope she recouvers soon.

Ok haven't really been on past few days because I hve been sucked into Veronica Mars. Seriously this is a fantastic show I love it.

As for Vala's real mother she is dead isn't she? As to who would play her.....yeah at the moment I'v got nothing.

[Magnecite]

LC - been reading your Vala stereotypes. There's a lot there isn't there and you could certainly pull out an identikit study of Vala from those different categories. Will be interesting to see you reflect on both Daniel and Vala. Good luck.

Mag.

[Stef]

Ok haven't really been on past few days because I hve been sucked into Veronica Mars. Seriously this is a fantastic show I love it.

Indeed it is...at least for the first season. The second season was hot and cold but mostly pretty great. The third season *cough* I lost track of *cough*

-Stef

[CrazyLikeaFox]

I've almost finished first season and I'm so in love with Logan atm.

Anyone else remember their first Stargate/Devilish experience and how awesome it was?

Yes this is me being on topic

[Stef]

LOL. Oh, I know. LOGAN = LOVE (also the ship name for Logan + Veronica)

Here's me keeping it on topic...

...I remember being so giddy after watching MM. Realizing you've found a new ship is so much fun!!

-Stef

[CrazyLikeaFox]

oh yeah MM makes me squee even now. I just remember watching PU and thinking "Oh this girl has to come back"

I adore LoVe and Logan

[Stef]

Well, I think that that's it for me. Time to head off to bed!

Oh, and when Milena gets back on...everyone make sure to harass and point fingers at her accusingly for she is the reason why you don't have a new vid from me today (and why you might not see it at all...since my interest in the vid is evaporating by the day). *blinks sweetly*

Night all!

-Stef

[CrazyLikeaFox]

No vid because of Milena? Well I think something must be said

[isabelqc]

Here ya go Isa, Vala's archetypes.
Once again in spoilers for those who don't want to read this.
And again things in brackets are my own little comments

Spoiler:

Seductress
She is mysterious, manipulative, and bewitching. She is not easily fooled by anyone and holds the upper hand in any relationship. She can turn on the charm whenever she wants, even if she is not interested in anything in particular. Seduction comes as naturally to her as breathing. Carries some emotional baggage, a streak of distrust a mile wide and ten miles deep, true desires and motivations are carefully concealed behind a sensual smile. Knowledge is power, so she makes sure no one knows her. Not willing to leave herself unprotected, revelations of her true self are few and far between.

Virtues:
Assertive; learned that being on the offensive is to her advantage, does not care about being in charge as long as she’s in control of her own destiny.
Strong; a survivor, does whatever is necessary to get what she needs. Independent, smart, able to size up people quickly and accurately, cool and calculating, very, very savvy.
Clever; when things go wrong she always has a Plan B(my note: good thing too ‘cuz Plan A almost never works,lol), not easily flustered when a situation goes awry(like when your carefully executed step-by-step explanation of how to take treasure from a glass enclosure becomes taking treasure from enclosure with metal bars,lol)

Flaws:
Cynical(ya think?); jaded, scornful of others, trusts only her own judgement. suspicious of everyone, especially men, in her experience everyone is in it for themselves.
Driven; perceives herself as alone, only able to depend on herself, spends most of her time striving for security, spends most of her day planning on how to get money/power and then hoarding it when it comes her way.
Manipulative; has learned that honey catches more flies than vinegar, has perfected her honey making skills and sees nothing wrong with fooling people to get her way(like pretending to be in distress just to steal a big, honking spacecraft)
Uses people, can be unable to ‘I’m sorry’, can be cold-hearted, a chameleon.

Background:
Came of age early, valued friends for what they could bring her, learned to use her charm to control others.(because of Vala’s special circumstances…meaning Qetesh…I haven’t gone into detail here because I think she’s only a seductress because of Qetesh)

Her style is definitely ‘dark lady’:
Anti-heroine seems almost villainous, manipulates to get her way, has no shame for the pain and anger she causes, but this seductress is not deceiving because she wants to be…this woman is a survivor, using skills she has to get what she needs….prime example, Scarlett, who only became ruthless because the Civil War drove her to use her skills to save Tara and never go hungry again.
Angry, bitter and many, many times out for what she can get, uses beauty like weapon, protects her from any emotional entanglements and keeps everyone at a safe distance…has a heart but is buried beneath layers of calculation.
Is decisive, has the ability to determine a person’s potential, pragmatic and has a carefully hidden intelligence.

Boss
Takes charges of her circumstances, makes things happen before most people get off the couch; strong, tough woman. Winning is everything, can be calculating to achieve her ends, will shade the truth to gain her objective and is not above manipulating circumstances to go her way…whatever helps her get across the finish line is all in a good day’s work. When someone tries to obstruct her path she can be blunt and brash.
Values getting ahead and winning the game, but when it comes to personal relationships is at a loss.
Can make quick decisions, is a realist and can be efficient manager.
Possible occupations: five star chef, prosecutor, Madame(combined with seductress this would make sense,lol) Queen(double LOL)


Free Spirit
Maybe a handful for anyone dealing with her(staid archeologist?)but makes experience worthwhile in her zany, high-spirited way.
Impulsive, often finds herself in jams and needs help getting out of them. Or her zany logic saves the day, usually lands on her feet. Depends on instincts to direct her path. Her decision making process may seem wacky at best, but to her it only makes sense to follow her inner voice. Planning is not in her vocabulary. Compulsive talker. Lives in the present, slightly eccentric. Most people watch her and write her off as a ditz, but is amazingly resourceful and ingenious when she needs to be, might stumble along the way but usually accomplishes the task set before her.
Impulsive…oh if only she would think just a little more. Sometimes hurts people(unintentionally)because she speaks before she thinks and acts before she plans.
Undisciplined…Jill of all trades, master of none…erratic, never writes things down and forgets commitments, flies by the seat of her pants.
Can be klutzy, excessive talker, inclined to exaggerate(?) and easily distracted(?).
Follows her own path…could have a different hair colour each week and followed her own goofy fashion sense.

(Is she) The Comedian…(you decide):
crazy sense of humour and buoyant personality are good defense mechanisms to hide her fear of belittlement…bowls everyone over with her enthusiasm, concealing any troubled thoughts. Hard to pin down, won’t sit still long enough for anyone to get a handle on her, playful, creative and young at heart. Has hidden hurts and a desperate need to be accepted. Adults sometimes discount her because of zany behaviour…finds herself in vicious cycle, unable to show her serious and intelligent side without being ridiculed….so slides back into role everyone expects of her.
OR
The DarlingMore self-assured than the Comedian. Postive she knows best she spends little time contemplating her own problems. An extrovert she lives for the next party. Gets restless with a challenge to keep her occupied.
(Hmmm…bit of both I think)
Innovative, make emotional decisions that unreasonable and illogical (hm, not sure about this), waste a lot of time talking.

Lost Soul(sorta Waif)
(I had a real problem with this one. The book I’m using as reference has ‘the waif’ as the female counterpart to the male ‘lost soul’ but I find ‘waif’ just a little too wimpy for Vala, until I came across this movie example of a ‘waif’…
“Nikita in ‘La Femme Nikita’ is forced into the role of assassin and can never summon the energy or the heart to break free of her predicament. She tries to brace herself against any more hurts, striving to insulate her emotions from a world that has mercilessly abused her.”)

(And this also sounded right):

Style:
The Orphan: this is the woman with a painful past, the parent-less child thrown out of her home or the tortured outcast from society
(Cinderella anyone?)
Abused by stepmother. May have a hardened veneen but it is only a brittle glass-façade. Her spirit has been buffeted to the breaking point by the blows she has suffered, making her fragile on the inside.
Needs a knight in shining armour(Galahad?)
Defends herself out of desperation…battered and bruised she struggles on with the dim hope of salavation.


(My comments: I still think she is more ‘lost soul’ than ‘waif’ but that just validates my final belief….
This is the level where they recognize and understand each other….neither one has ever really had a stable home
Interesting supposition: Vala’s mother died when she was… oh maybe about 8!)

Originally when I posted these I was also going to do a segment on the different ways that their various archetypes bounce off each other,...I may still come back to that.
LC

Thank you hun, this really helpful in looking at parts of Vala's character that you know are there but you don't know properly express/explain them. I do think that some sides are a bit extreme and Vala falls towards the middle of them, but I do see how these aspects can apply to her character and how she develop.