Daniel Jackson/Vala Mal Doran Ship/Discussion/Appreciation Thread

[gioia]

Isabel, cara, it's good to see you alive and here again

[Anjirika]

In terms of Continuum- I’m excited. I mean,

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two different missions? Different timelines? Oh, I’m so excited! I mean, 1939 how cool is that??? ^_^

As for AoT I’m excited for that too and the whole concept sound really really morally and philosophically interesting and I can’t wait to see how it plays out.

And I think that they both sound like Stargate....

....and I've reached 900 posts! Woot!

[LC_]

So what I'm doing here is giving a breakdown of the character archetypes that create the Daniel and Vala personalities, then later I'll get into showing how their different levels conflicts or meshes with the other.
In creating fictional characters...for a play, book, movie or TV show, writers use character archetypes,which describe the characteristics of different personality types. Typically there are 8 male archetypes and 8 female ones for a total of 16. Our favourite couple have at least 7 of them between the two of them...just incredibly complex personalities...which is why I find them so fascinating, and so much fun to write...just wish I was better at writing the more argumentative aspects,lol
Anyway we'll start with Daniel.
Most of this one is pretty obvious and it's the most detailed so it's long, and why I'm posting it first all by itself...the other three are shorter.
I've put it in 'spoilers' in case there's someone who really doesn't want to read this.
Hope you enjoy my little dissertation,lol
(would Daniel be proud of me???????????)
LC
(if at anytime ya'll are bored of my ramblings, just tell me to shut up)

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Professor -logical, introverted and faithful.
-no fast breaks or hurried decisions
-when he makes a commitment he invariably follows thorough,
but in his own time and only after all the facts are in.
-he is thoughtful(my note: thinks a lot, no kidding,lol) BUT not
necessarily considerate.
-is used to being the smartest person in the room…this
experience does not make it easier for him to remember to
communicate on levels understood by the less
gifted, inability of others to keep up is frustrating…social skills
may not be the best…book-lined study is far more comfortable
than bar or basketball court
-exercises mind constantly, only exercises if he realizes the
connection between good health and strong reasoning skills
(my note: or if his job demands it of him, lol)
-trust the Professor to find the solution, BUT don’t expect to
understand the explanations

Virtues
-expert, not just smart, but educated…knows about subjects
that interest him recognized authority in chosen field
-analytical, thinks before he acts, methodically takes a problem
apart, assessing each piece of the puzzle until the perfect way
to put it back together, refuses to be rushed and conclusions
are invariably correct.
-genuine, has not developed disguises others have, when he
gives his heart is painfully vulnerable, true to commitments, he
never pretends something he does not actually feel.
Hypocrisy and lies are foreign to him and is
astonished when others use them against him.
-a genius particularly in at least one field of expertise
-does New York Times crossword in ink(my note: LOL…yep can
SSSOOO see this, gotta remember for future fiction)
-persistent and thorough…thinks ‘outside the box’

Flaws
-Insular, inhabits his own world, unwilling to make room for
others, knows everything about his field of expertise but not
much about other aspects of life… “devoting one’s life to
building the perfect mousetrap does not leave much time for
socializing”
-Inhibited, not much time spent gaining experience with
women…urges felt that direction been much ignored, is either
frantically trying to think of what to say or does not want to
take the time to say hello
-can be nitpicky
-lacks spontaneity
-NEVER THE LIFE OF THE PARTY!
-Inflexible, definitely set in his ways, not enthusiastic about
change, convinced that his way is the only way and can list
many reasons why he is right

Background
-special gifts ruled his life…when you are a prodigy it is
apparent at early age, parents may have been pleased as
punch(yes)…set apart from children his own age
(and nationality), feeling of isolation stays with throughout life
-astounded teachers with his precocious abilities….praised and
pushed to succeed he might have developed an arrogance that
raised hackles of other children or if parents(foster ones)
viewed him as odd, shyness or guilt over ease of
accomplishment might have resulted.
-was the NERD!, high IQ could not spare him the awkward
teenage years, understanding the biological reason and effect
of hormones did not make it easier to live through the
experience…may have made him all the more
miserably aware of his gawky shortcomings and rampaging
hormones
-may have gotten on well with teachers, but being president of
high school chess club(or languages) did not result in a lot of
dates.
books may have been his closest companion

His style is either ‘absentminded’ or ‘super organized’…you
judge:
absentminded; lovable klutz, at the top of his field, but is only
recognized for his genius by the people he works with, not all-
knowing or all-seeing, sometimes a bit of educated luck plays a
role in his success
super organized; knows where pocket protector is and actually
has one for each day of the week…desk is immaculate, home is
immaculate and so is he(okay that choice is easy…that would
be absentminded lovable klutz right?lol)
professors are schedule-oriented(hmmm?), creatures of habit?,
not people-oriented, absorbed and dedicated to their work.

Occupation
Scholar: books were solace as a child and
provide a road map to live by…his library offers him a
comfortable hiding place away from the rough-and-tumble
present world.

[Stef]

-genuine, has not developed disguises others have, when he gives his heart is painfully vulnerable, true to commitments, he never pretends something he does not actually feel.

My favorite part. Very interesting, LC. I'll enjoy reading more. I am fascinated with looking more deeply at character psyches (well, people in general) and how they fit within various archetypes and molds. I may be in the minority, but I find this very interesting....please do continue. Can't wait until you get to Vala

-Stef

[poundpuppy29]

Yay 2000 posts I am soo happy I have no life lol ok pic run pic run for the blessed event some TragiDay pics mixed with my fav pics





Great LC loved it greened ya they are very complex I am obsessed with them too they are fascinating
this is OT Stef

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I was wondering if you could do a Sparky banner for the H&H ship game they were 4th as long as it has H&H ship game 4th place that's all I ask how ever you want to do it you are the artist

[gioia]

WOW, LC_, that was amazing.
I'll write myself something later, quoting your observation.
excellent work, dear.

[Anjirika]

Yay 2000 posts I am soo happy I have no life

CONGRATS ON 2000 POSTS Poundpuppy!

[Stef]

Congratulations of 900 posts, Anjirika and 2,000 posts, poundpuppy!!

Okay, so we have to gather our strength for next week. I think that that is when the final "best moments of SG-1" question comes out. Low and behold, it is the most important: BEST KISS! We have to win this one, we must! I'm just afraid that....

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they might nominate DV from PU and DV from "Unending" and split up loyalties. I hope not! Were there any other major kisses in season 8 that might take that season 8 slot? What about season 9, who kissed there? Cam/Scientist or Tomin/Vala (but did they ever really kiss....other than him kissing her on the forehead?). Interesting. I just hope S/J get nominated twice....that way the shippers will be split up deciding between the two.

Wow, I really am competetive, aren't I? I just think it would be a major victory for our ship....that we could beat out S/J. Hope, hope.

Wonko Wednesday, right?

Not particularly "wonko" but funny to me.

EDIT: Victory! I finally managed to get my avatar to work. Excellent.

-Stef

[Stef]

*bump*

Hmm...what can I justify this bump with? Working on four new vids 1 for the men, 1 for the team, 1 for the ladies, and 1 for DV. Plus, I'm still trying to find a way to finish up this Sam/Vala scene so that I can get my pregnancy fic rolling. I am having a mental block! I envy all of you writers who can sit down and write chapter/stories like clockwork. It takes me forever.

-Stef

[Stef]

Geez, what's going on people?! I'm having to be a one-woman bumping machine here!!

Anyway, looks like we won't be getting any MS or CB commentaries for season 10 Breakdown of who's doing what episode:

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F&B: RCC, William Waring, Jim Menard
Morpheus: Joe Mallozzi & Andy Mikita
TPP: William Waring & Jim Menard
Insiders: Alan McCullough & Peter Woeste
Uninvited: William Waring & Jim Menard
200: RCC, Martin Wood, Jim Menard
Counterstrike: Joe Mallozzi & Andy Mikita
MM: Joe Mallozzi & Paul Mullie
COT: William Waring & Alan McCullough
TQ1: Joe Mallozzi & Andy Mikita
TQ2: Paul Mullie & Andy Mikita
LITS: Jim Menard & Amanda Tapping
TRNT: Andy Mikita, Alan McCullough, & Amanda Tapping
The Shroud: RCC & Andy Mikita
Bounty: John Lenic & Jim Menard
Bad Guys: NONE
Talion: Andy Mikita & Chris Judge
FT: Joe Mallozzi & Paul Mullie
Dominion: Alan McCullough & William Waring
Unending: RCC, Jim Menard, & Amanda Tapping (Honestly, I like AT...but what is up with her doing most of the actor commentary...especially for this episode?! I really wish we had gotten MS or CB for this instead of her...)

And the award for most commentaries goes to.....a tie between Andy Mikita and Jim Menard with 7 apiece. And I can't get one commentary from CB, MS, or BB *sigh* At least JM will be doing MM. He usually does good commentaries. Oh, and there's a director's thing for RCC for "Unending" as well as deleted scenes.

For more info, here's where I got the information: DVD TIMES

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Oh, and apparently this was from an entry in JM's blog while back:
"Anonymous #2 writes: “Have you guys considered producing a 'deleted scenes/bloopers' DVD?”

Answer: Ivon Bartok, our Special Features producer, and I have put together a deleted footage commentary for the upcoming DVD release. It will include deleted scenes from Morpheus, Memento Mori, and Quest I."

Ones from more than three episodes would have been nice, but I'm happy with MM, Morpheus, and TQ1 (would have liked to have seen some of those missing 22 minutes of BG though )

Night all, keep the thread alive while I'm gone Oh, and I see you lurking down there, Kales!

-Stef

[Kath Pup]

Yay! You did it! Fascinating, LC. can't wait for the rest of it.

Congrats on the posts guys!

[Kales]

*waves* I was hard at work on fic, lol. Domino Motion update for those who are following it, and it's a double one. Can you tell the bunnies are gaining power?

22: lavinia

23: world spins madly on

Okay, going to type up chapter 24!

[LMichelle]

Family Ties post-ep here:

http://community.livejournal.com/dan...5.html?#cutid1

Enjoy!

Lisa Michelle

[DJgirl]

Hey All!!!!

Just checking in from sunny Santa Barbara. I am halfway through my vacation and missing you all!!

I don't have a lot of time to play but I just wanted to say hi

Hopefully in the next day or two there will be nothing planned and I can sit with my Starbucks and play catch up.

[djay]

MS Online had a link to this photo of the last day of filming.

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DJAY