I was actually going to comment that the BHK in WoO, IMHO, really does prove within the normally acceptable limits that Sam and Jack *both* have feelings for each other beyond what they should. He initiates, she responds... Even if she doesn't remember it. What else is necessary to at least *prove* the emotions are reciprocated by both of them?
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Originally posted by Akamaimom View PostNothing, really, except that then she gets"engagged" to Pete and Jack starts up a little something with Kerry. Years later, which is an eternity in TV years. . .
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Most folks who don't see the ship, though, don't see it all along. I *really* think that those who don't see or believe in the ship after WoO aren't going to see it now if we get another BHK. That's all.
One of the phrases on the anti thread that I was reading (a phrase that was repeated over and over and over) was "heavy handed". The anti shippers felt that the whole story line was too heavy handed to be believable. I actually snorted when I read this, because of all the ships out there, this one was very (except for in a rare arc over 8 years) in the background. And I'm a huge Bones fan, but their ship is truly heavy handed--it's obvious. That there is such a divide between anti and pro shippers with Jack/Sam proves that the writers/producers/directors DID NOT do it with a heavy hand.
And no matter how much confirmation is given, I believe that the anti shippers will still choose not to believe.
I really like the "Glinda" fics.
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Originally posted by Akamaimom View PostShe'd probably only use Dr. O'Neill in a sort of professional spectrum--although who knows? I just know that my mom (Doctorate in English) never refers to herself as Dr. _____ except when she's in a professional setting. (And neither did any of the professors in the college town where I grew up--the ones who insisted on the "Doctor" designation were considered stuck up by the others.) But who knows?
And I'm not military, so I really don't know what the rules are. So, my two cents here are as worthwhile as the proverbial teats on a bull. . .DDC
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Real life examples: Most of my friends who married after finishing grad school kept their names for work/professional purposes (established in their fields, publications, professional licenses). They're only Mrs.____ in some social situations and things like how their kids' friends/teachers address them. If they're Drs. they're addressed as Dr. [maiden name] in situations where they use that last name but Mrs.____, not Dr., when using their married names. None of my friends hyphenated their names or their kids, who all have their fathers' last names.
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Originally posted by Akamaimom View PostOne of the phrases on the anti thread that I was reading (a phrase that was repeated over and over and over) was "heavy handed". The anti shippers felt that the whole story line was too heavy handed to be believable. I actually snorted when I read this, because of all the ships out there, this one was very (except for in a rare arc over 8 years) in the background. And I'm a huge Bones fan, but their ship is truly heavy handed--it's obvious. That there is such a divide between anti and pro shippers with Jack/Sam proves that the writers/producers/directors DID NOT do it with a heavy hand.
Because - tbh - I used to be a big Bones fan and now my coworker and I snark our way through the new episodes. Which is fun, don't get me wrong, but not quite the same as it was before
I will say, though, that because S/J ship has always been subtle, I can see how when it's suddenly brought to the surface it might seem heavy handed and a bit random to those who haven't noticed the more subtle moments. This coming from someone who successfully managed to miss most of them for years
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Because - tbh - I used to be a big Bones fan and now my coworker and I snark our way through the new episodes. Which is fun, don't get me wrong, but not quite the same as it was before
But I still love the honesty with which AT and RDA played Sam and Jack--it's so believable. And NOT heavy handed. You wonder if the nay sayers have ever watched a truly "in your face" ship. Booth/Bones is (even though it's one of my guilty pleasures) completely forced. Jack/Sam is all the more profound for not having been firmly either resolved or confirmed.
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Originally posted by Akamaimom View PostBut I still love the honesty with which AT and RDA played Sam and Jack--it's so believable. And NOT heavy handed. You wonder if the nay sayers have ever watched a truly "in your face" ship. Booth/Bones is (even though it's one of my guilty pleasures) completely forced. Jack/Sam is all the more profound for not having been firmly either resolved or confirmed.
Walk with me.. this isn't fully off-topic: A week or so ago my daughter and I went to see the ballet Cinderella. At one point, after the ball when Cinderella had returned home, she was dancing to sad music with her glass slipper with a dreamy look on her face and then, mid way through, fell to the floor sobbing. My daughter asked me, "What's happening?" I explained to her that Cinderella missed the prince and was remembering the dance and was crying because of that. She asked, "How can you tell?" and I explained to her how we were meant to tell from the choreography, score, and acting. I suddenly realized that, while we expect to have to use such things to interpret what we see in other art forms, for some reason we've come to expect being spoon-fed information on Television - being told instead of shown. Being shown obviously leaves room for differing interpretations but, really, as I said, I think it makes for far better *art*.
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Walk with me.. this isn't fully off-topic: A week or so ago my daughter and I went to see the ballet Cinderella. At one point, after the ball when Cinderella had returned home, she was dancing to sad music with her glass slipper with a dreamy look on her face and then, mid way through, fell to the floor sobbing. My daughter asked me, "What's happening?" I explained to her that Cinderella missed the prince and was remembering the dance and was crying because of that. She asked, "How can you tell?" and I explained to her how we were meant to tell from the choreography, score, and acting. I suddenly realized that, while we expect to have to use such things to interpret what we see in other art forms, for some reason we've come to expect being spoon-fed information on Television - being told instead of shown. Being shown obviously leaves room for differing interpretations but, really, as I said, I think it makes for far better *art*.
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Originally posted by Akamaimom View Post**Singing**
Shippers in the night
Exchanging fanfic
manipping in the night
a shippy kiss pic
Hoping in the night
For that Big Honking Kiss!!!
Please tell me I'm not the only one old enough to know that song!!!!
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Originally posted by Akamaimom View PostAbsolutely. What Peter DeLuise calls "The Book Version" where you have to add in your own details sometimes. It's finesse, essentially. And I love it when the actors choose not to say the lines, but rather act them--like the scene in "Upgrades" in front of the force field (and "Divide and Conquer" of course--and yes, I know that they added more in D&C than in Upgrades). There were lines, there, but AT and RDA chose to not say them. Much more powerful, IMO.sigpicThanks to Oma-1 for the beautiful banner!
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I'm glad they didn't say the dialogue but I'd love to know what that dialogue WAS
So there's my answer. That's what they are saying at the force field. "Oh, Baby!"
(And I am completely kidding. I'd love to know what the scripted lines were there, too. Except I'm not kidding about the "Oh Baby!" story--that really happened and it still makes me laugh *mumble* years later!)
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Originally posted by leiasky View PostI'm glad they didn't say the dialogue but I'd love to know what that dialogue WAS
Hubs and I have this big 'argument' over he original movie Dune because he loves it and I say it's 'cheating'. If you have to do a voiceover telling you what the characters are thinking you're doing *something* wrong somewhere.
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Originally posted by JenniferJF View Postthat would be cheating .
Hubs and I have this big 'argument' over he original movie Dune because he loves it and I say it's 'cheating'. If you have to do a voiceover telling you what the characters are thinking you're doing *something* wrong somewhere.
Oh, I agree that the actors in this scene conveyed so much more emotion than any bit of dialogue could. It doesn't mean that I don't want to know what was originally scripted that GAVE them the direction/idea to play their emotional angst the way they didsigpicThanks to Oma-1 for the beautiful banner!
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