Sam Carter /Jack O'Neill Ship Appreciation Thread 2.0

[Akamaimom]

This may not be the kind of Jacob/Jack/Sam story people were wanting recently, but it's cute:

Death and Taxes by dietcokechic

That was fun! Thanks for the link!

And since people were asking about fic **shifty eyes shifty eyes**

This one is angsty with a capital angst. . .

Frets and Strums


By the way, has anyone heard from JenniferJF lately? I'm missing her sage insights and cute fic. Anyone? Anyone?

[mad_gater]

I liked that one

so did I.......her fics are cool....

edit: I found the part with Jacob's reaction to Selmak's "breasts" comment particularly hilarious

[LadyGalaxyJ]

Thanks for the fic recs. Going to read them when I get some time.

I think we need a chart for this!! You know, like those growth charts for stuff to do with real life...

I'd like that. It'd be a great way to see how the realationship evolved.
We'd have the Jack & Sam sine wave.

...

What is it with maths and this thread?

(Must I remember that + = ?)

Here's where Jack and Sam are going to send their kids. . .

Or where I want to send mine!

Stargate School

If I were living anywhere close, I'd want my kids to go there. Sadly, Colorado is a bit far. ;P

[Fluffy17]

This may not be the kind of Jacob/Jack/Sam story people were wanting recently, but it's cute:

Death and Taxes by dietcokechic

Hah - don't you just love Selmak!!

That was fun! Thanks for the link!

And since people were asking about fic **shifty eyes shifty eyes**

This one is angsty with a capital angst. . .

Frets and Strums

Wonderful -have left review in the proper place

[Pol]

So...no more set-up/reset eps then? Huh, I figured you all would generate a longer list/discussion.

Oh well. Back to shippy discussions then.

[Cagranosalis]

Sorry Pol. You got me thinking though. Never a good thing!

(Dammit I still have a threads fic to write! )

I'd like that. It'd be a great way to see how the realationship evolved.
We'd have the Jack & Sam sine wave.

Yeah... see I'm working on it.

Oh new fics. Something for me to print off and read while hubby is wizzing around the track in his DB9 tomorrow (I bought him a track day for his birthday last month; I'm not jealous that he gets to drive an Aston Martin while I get to stand around in the cold).

[Akamaimom]

So...no more set-up/reset eps then? Huh, I figured you all would generate a longer list/discussion.

Oh well. Back to shippy discussions then.

Are you only talking about blatant ship--or stuff around the ship as well? Because I've always seen a set-up/reset arc from "In the Line of Duty" to "The Tok'ra II". Jack plays an important part in Sam's growth, here.

And I don't know if it fits, but Season 4 (or as I like to call it, the Season of Glory) contains not only those shippy ship eps, but also eps that make us aware that Sam fully knows who Jack is and of what he's capable.

Six episodes are back to back which are totally incongruous, and yet provide a clear character sketch of O'Neill.

So, Season 4 could also be the "caveat emptor" of Ship.

From the stoic, deadly mercenary of "The Other Side" to the silly mercenary of "Upgrades".

From being willing to sacrifice himself (poignantly) to save Sam in "Divide and Conquer" to sacrificing his brain and time to save the world in "Window of Opportunity".

"Scorched Earth" where he is chillingly willing to annihilate one civilization to save another, to "Beneath the Surface" where he is angrily willing to annihilate one civilization to save another.

I don't know how these juxtapositions work in your scheme, but that's just something I've been thinking about lately--and they were prompted by me looking at your question and thinking about it.

(Yeah--I could never just answer the "normal" question in college, either. )

[Artie]

Are you only talking about blatant ship--or stuff around the ship as well? Because I've always seen a set-up/reset arc from "In the Line of Duty" to "The Tok'ra II". Jack plays an important part in Sam's growth, here.

And I don't know if it fits, but Season 4 (or as I like to call it, the Season of Glory) contains not only those shippy ship eps, but also eps that make us aware that Sam fully knows who Jack is and of what he's capable.

Six episodes are back to back which are totally incongruous, and yet provide a clear character sketch of O'Neill.

So, Season 4 could also be the "caveat emptor" of Ship.

From the stoic, deadly mercenary of "The Other Side" to the silly mercenary of "Upgrades".

From being willing to sacrifice himself (poignantly) to save Sam in "Divide and Conquer" to sacrificing his brain and time to save the world in "Window of Opportunity".

"Scorched Earth" where he is chillingly willing to annihilate one civilization to save another, to "Beneath the Surface" where he is angrily willing to annihilate one civilization to save another.

I don't know how these juxtapositions work in your scheme, but that's just something I've been thinking about lately--and they were prompted by me looking at your question and thinking about it.

(Yeah--I could never just answer the "normal" question in college, either. )

Jack is such a rich character, isn't he? Those episodes play off against each other really well, different sides, different days, different aspects of him. And oh yes, she knows him very well! She has no illusions about him at this point, not the kind of hero worship she had back in first season.

I think we see her similar evolution later on. And what each experience leads to. I think New Order absolutely leads to Atlantis' Be All My Sins Remembered. Sam is just as cold as Jack ever was extinguishing the Replicators. There are a couple of shots in there that remind me so much of Jack.

[RepliCartertje]

You know you want too...

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So you'll be making something for someone but you'll also be getting something.
You do have to make something that is related to Sam/Jack, unless you know that person will also be happy with something else.

How does it work?
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Singing up can be until 5th November then I'll send the assignments out around the 8th of November.

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[Akamaimom]

I started my rewatch again, and Children of the Gods was yesterday.

About the recut (I watch that since my kids are around when I'm watching. . .):

The infamous "reproductive organs" line has been cut out, and I have to say that the way it's edited now (for me) makes it shippier. They have these long looks at each other, like there's an instantaneous attraction. I like that! I don't get the same feeling in the old version.

Also--Emancipation: They share a few cute looks in this one, too.

[hedwig]

I think we see her similar evolution later on. And what each experience leads to. I think New Order absolutely leads to Atlantis' Be All My Sins Remembered. Sam is just as cold as Jack ever was extinguishing the Replicators. There are a couple of shots in there that remind me so much of Jack.

Not really surprising given her experiences with them since the team first met Fifth and the others, and what the Pegasus replicators almost did to Jack and Woolsey.

[Artie]

Not really surprising given her experiences with them since the team first met Fifth and the others, and what the Pegasus replicators almost did to Jack and Woolsey.

Yep. That was one of the things I thought worked so well! Sam is shaped by her experiences, and you can see her mentors in her, Jack and Hammond and Jacob. And she's got that edge. I love it when fic explores and acknowledges that! Because that's something Jack can understand about her that Pete never would.

[Rachel500]

So, set-ups and resets...

First Wave: Chemistry

Set-up: Children of the Gods
Apex: There But for the Grace of God/Politics
Reset: The Tok'ra

Discussion: For me, the first wave is all about the chemistry and the suggestion that Sam and Jack might make a good couple. It was introduced in COTG, built up through early episodes and Solitudes, and came to an apex when Daniel discovered in another universe Sam and Jack were together. For me, the obvious reset to this happens in S2 with the introduction of Martouf, who was clearly to meant to be a serious love interest for Sam.

Second Wave: Falling

Set-up: Out of Mind/Into the Fire
Apex: Nemesis
Reset: Small Victories

Discussion: For me, the second wave is all about the long slow slide into them realising they have fallen for each other which comes to a head with the fishing invitation in Nemesis. introduced in the S2/S3 two-parter, and building up through episodes such as POV and A Hundred Days until Nemesis. The obvious reset to this happens almost immediately with Small Victories and the repeat of the fishing invitation which Sam continues to refuse and thus suggest, yes, they like each other but nothing is going to happen.

Third Wave: Love Hurts

Set-up: Divide and Conquer
Apex: Beneath the Surface
Reset: Entity

Discussion: The onset of the third wave happens almost immediately into S4 with D&C, and for me is all about exploring the fact that the two of them do love each other, trying to put their duty first (and hiding more complex fears about relationships) and how they deal with that. Most of the S4 episodes help to sustain the thread but the apex is the angsty Beneath the Surface. The reset is Entity of course, when Jack is forced to kill her and we see the pain that loving each other could cause them and why they love each other, be together and remain in SG1. And so, Jack takes a step back.

Fourth, Fifth and Sixth Waves: Just Friends?

Set-up: Ascension
Apex: Desperate Measures
Reset: Meridian

Set-up: Redemption
Apex: Paradise Lost/Metamorphosis
Reset: Full Circle

Set-up: Fallen/Homecoming
Apex: Evolution
Reset: Grace


Discussion: There's a large swathe of S5 through S6 and into S7 which for me is about them adjusting as friends and each of them seperately struggling with their emotions and to keep it purely friendship but it kind of happens in a trio of waves, with each initial set-up redefining them as 'friends' but the apex showing that they still love each other before the reset throws them back to 'friends.' Grace being the ultimate reset with Sam concluding that she must move on from her feelings from Jack (although I would still say this is ambiguous within the episode itself).

Set-up: Redemption
Apex: Metamorphosis
Reset: Full Circle

Seventh Wave: Lost Love?

Set-up: Chimera
Apex: The Lost City/New Order
Reset: Affinity

Discussion: The seventh wave is the most angsty because it's reset is the hardest. Because Chimera was all about the suggestion of whether Sam was moving on, but The Lost City and New Order show clearly that Sam's feelings haven't really moved on from Jack at all. Yet, Affinity seems to be the death knell as she's engaged to marry Pete so everything must be over for her and Jack...

Eighth Wave: Fishing

Set-up: Gemini
Apex: Threads

Discussion: The eighth wave is short and sweet. For me, it's clearly suggested in Gemini that Sam still loves Jack, that RepliCarter knows and even calls her on it, suggesting that Sam is a coward and isn't going after what she really wants because of her adherence to the rules and fear. Which to my mind gets Sam thinking and, of course, the outcome of that thinking happens in Threads when she realises she's making a mistake with Pete, finally faces Jack and finally goes fishing.

[Akamaimom]

I won't quote it because it's long, but I just have one (kindly meant and kinda giggly) word for you, Rachel500. . .

Overachiever.

[leiasky]

The infamous "reproductive organs" line has been cut out, and I have to say that the way it's edited now (for me) makes it shippier. They have these long looks at each other, like there's an instantaneous attraction. I like that! I don't get the same feeling in the old version.

Yup. The way CoTG is cut together now looks like there is an instrant attraction. I like it!

Yep. That was one of the things I thought worked so well! Sam is shaped by her experiences, and you can see her mentors in her, Jack and Hammond and Jacob. And she's got that edge. I love it when fic explores and acknowledges that! Because that's something Jack can understand about her that Pete never would.

Yep! I love SGA fics that explore this but there are so few of them that are well written AND have a good S/J element