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Originally posted by DeltaFlyer View PostWhy are they so obsessed with this almost imaginary, badly written S/J thing. BTW, can someone enlighten me, when were J & S supposed to have 'fallen in love'? because I must have blinked and missed it.
All I've ever seen re this supposed UST, is Sam gazing at Jack with the DEOD, causing some very ill-timed, awkward moments, and Jack looking very constipated in return. I mean, for cryin out loud! Jack's desperately worried over whether his best friend is dead or alive (Threads), and all Sammikins is interested in is getting the nerve up to profess her undying love !!!!
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Originally posted by DeltaFlyer View PostGRRRRR - I had to run over here for a rant, hope you don't mind guys.
Just ran away from yet ANOTHER 'must have S&J getting married and walking off hand in hand in to the sunset' posts on one of those 'What would you like to see before SG1 ends' 'Speculation on the DVD Movies' threads, I'm sure you know the ones
Why are they so obsessed with this almost imaginary, badly written S/J thing. BTW, can someone enlighten me, when were J & S supposed to have 'fallen in love'? because I must have blinked and missed it.
All I've ever seen re this supposed UST, is Sam gazing at Jack with the DEOD, causing some very ill-timed, awkward moments, and Jack looking very constipated in return. I mean, for cryin out loud! Jack's desperately worried over whether his best friend is dead or alive (Threads), and all Sammikins is interested in is getting the nerve up to profess her undying love !!!!
Why, why, why does resolution of something that, if it did 'almost' exist, has certainly fizzled out in S9 & S10, be viewed as vital for the movies.
Sorry, just had to let off a little steam. I feel a little calmer now
Delta
Ranting is welcome here, when it comes to S/J and also D/V I often feel the need to vent
I'm thankful for this thread and the anti D/V
Yes I'm seeing all this "we must have a S/J resolution" stuff. I mean if people want to ship S/J that's up to them, but keep it off the screen. I've never seen any romantic chemistry between Sam and Jack and all the ship stuff has felt so forced it's crazy. I don't get this "fallen in love" stuff either, when did that happen? And then there's the "they're meant to be together", in whose eyes?
Ship has been pretty much all one way in my book, and it did a lot of damage to the character of Sam in the process.
Do they really think TPTB would do a good job of it anyway? We know how good they are at writing relationships
Any reference to ship/implying something was going on would completely ruin and overshadow that episode/movie.
Now I'm ranting too........
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Originally posted by nihela View PostActually I've read something like that Clone-Jack is dying and goes back in time to save Sam's mum. And there's ogling on both sides...
38-39 hitting on 17 or 50+ hitting on 17----Whole other story besides it being illegal in a couple of places here in the states IMHO it just makes the older party look desperate and pathetic.
As for the 4 year old thing, I blame the Beta there more than the author. I’m almost sure the author didn’t mean for the scene to come across as disturbing as it did. That was the time and place for a good Beta to ask them honestly “Would you write this scene in reverse” and/or “Do you really think adding ship elements are appropriate here”. Sometimes what can be perfectly innocent in an author’s head can just come across as alarming on paper. That’s when a good Beta should step in.
When I beta’ed for another fandom if I became more concerned with hurting a friend’s feeling than I did for making sure they wrote a good story I referred them to someone else. Some times asking your friend to beta for you isn’t the best answer.
I’m with you Jess nothing drives me crazier than a story that starts out as a pretty good Gen story and suddenly the author just drops ship in it with NO thought if it fits the plot or not.Jack O’Neill: When it absolutely, positively, needs mocked, shot, or destroyed overnight!
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Originally posted by DeltaFlyer View PostWhy are they so obsessed with this almost imaginary, badly written S/J thing. BTW, can someone enlighten me, when were J & S supposed to have 'fallen in love'? because I must have blinked and missed it.I'm a girl! A girly girly girl!
Okay, you got me. I can't accept change. This message may look like it was typed on a computer and posted on the internet, but it is actually cave drawings delivered by smoke signals.
Naquada Enhanced Chastity Belts -SG1 edition. On sale now! Heck, I'll give them away
Daniel Jackson Appreciation and Discussion -because he's more than pretty
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Daniel Jackson: The Beacon of Hope and The Man Who Opened the Stargate
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Originally posted by DeltaFlyer View PostGRRRRR - I had to run over here for a rant, hope you don't mind guys.
Just ran away from yet ANOTHER 'must have S&J getting married and walking off hand in hand in to the sunset' posts on one of those 'What would you like to see before SG1 ends' 'Speculation on the DVD Movies' threads, I'm sure you know the ones
Why are they so obsessed with this almost imaginary, badly written S/J thing. BTW, can someone enlighten me, when were J & S supposed to have 'fallen in love'? because I must have blinked and missed it.
All I've ever seen re this supposed UST, is Sam gazing at Jack with the DEOD, causing some very ill-timed, awkward moments, and Jack looking very constipated in return. I mean, for cryin out loud! Jack's desperately worried over whether his best friend is dead or alive (Threads), and all Sammikins is interested in is getting the nerve up to profess her undying love !!!!
Why, why, why does resolution of something that, if it did 'almost' exist, has certainly fizzled out in S9 & S10, be viewed as vital for the movies.
Sorry, just had to let off a little steam. I feel a little calmer now
Delta
Hmmm, I hope they don't go for that ending, but you never know with these guys.
I do take comfort in the fact that one of the writers mentioned that "that" scene in 200 would never happen regularly.Jace
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Originally posted by nihela View PostI don't know why you people bash writers so much ...
I don't see anyone bashing here. We're all entitled to our opinions and no one is coming out and saying "I utterly hate this piece of garbage that [insert author's name here] has written."
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Originally posted by Dani347 View PostWhich is why I cleverly stay away from D/V ship. And, so far, any writers have said upfront that's what the stories will be. But, I tend to do most of my reading from pre season 9 (mainly because after, there's way more likelihood of D/V ship stories)
Absolutely. People who like the pairings will hunt them out and enjoy, and people who don't won't have to read something they hate. But, I'm all for precise labeling of any fanfic. I don't read certain things and I want to know upfront if I should start a story or not.
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Originally posted by DeltaFlyer View PostGRRRRR - I had to run over here for a rant, hope you don't mind guys.
Just ran away from yet ANOTHER 'must have S&J getting married and walking off hand in hand in to the sunset' posts on one of those 'What would you like to see before SG1 ends' 'Speculation on the DVD Movies' threads, I'm sure you know the ones
Why are they so obsessed with this almost imaginary, badly written S/J thing. BTW, can someone enlighten me, when were J & S supposed to have 'fallen in love'? because I must have blinked and missed it.
All I've ever seen re this supposed UST, is Sam gazing at Jack with the DEOD, causing some very ill-timed, awkward moments, and Jack looking very constipated in return. I mean, for cryin out loud! Jack's desperately worried over whether his best friend is dead or alive (Threads), and all Sammikins is interested in is getting the nerve up to profess her undying love !!!!
Why, why, why does resolution of something that, if it did 'almost' exist, has certainly fizzled out in S9 & S10, be viewed as vital for the movies.
Sorry, just had to let off a little steam. I feel a little calmer now
Delta
When I first heard about S9 I was almost glad that Jack wouldn't be there much if it meant the end of all that awkward Sam 'n Sir stuff (though with the way things have been going the past two seasons I've been missing him... the "old" Jack though, from the earlier seasons). Shippers have been crowing over the "not exactly" line from Ex Deus Machina, but it's so ambiguous no one can say definitely what she meant (I hold that she said it to get Barrett off her back). Nothing else has been going on in S9 and S10 to hint at S/J - and even when Jack came back in 200, I didn't see anything there to hint at ship either. It would seem quite odd to me to suddenly go back to it in the season finale or in the movies.
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Originally posted by grasshopper64 View PostRanting is welcome here, when it comes to S/J and also D/V I often feel the need to vent
I'm thankful for this thread and the anti D/V
Yes I'm seeing all this "we must have a S/J resolution" stuff. I mean if people want to ship S/J that's up to them, but keep it off the screen. I've never seen any romantic chemistry between Sam and Jack and all the ship stuff has felt so forced it's crazy. I don't get this "fallen in love" stuff either, when did that happen? And then there's the "they're meant to be together", in whose eyes?
Ship has been pretty much all one way in my book, and it did a lot of damage to the character of Sam in the process.
Do they really think TPTB would do a good job of it anyway? We know how good they are at writing relationships
Any reference to ship/implying something was going on would completely ruin and overshadow that episode/movie.
Now I'm ranting too........
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Anti shippers have done their share of moaning over the "not exactly" line. I may have done some moaning myself, I don't recall. I know I didn't do any crowing. But, now, I'm pretty philosophical on that line. It was one bad line that fortunately from my end didn't go anywhere. It hasn't colored the show, although it may color how people watch it, or watch Sam.I'm a girl! A girly girly girl!
Okay, you got me. I can't accept change. This message may look like it was typed on a computer and posted on the internet, but it is actually cave drawings delivered by smoke signals.
Naquada Enhanced Chastity Belts -SG1 edition. On sale now! Heck, I'll give them away
Daniel Jackson Appreciation and Discussion -because he's more than pretty
http://forum.gateworld.net/showthread.php?t=89
Daniel Jackson: The Beacon of Hope and The Man Who Opened the Stargate
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Originally posted by Crow T. Robot View PostJust wait until you’re reading a story on a list and so far it’s clear of ship and then they drop it in the middle of a story. I’m still trying to claw my eyes out from a section in a story where Sam’s ogling a 4 year old Jack. YUCK!
Sorry, an almost 40 year old Sam thinking about a 4 year old in those terms or hitting on Jack’s 17 year old clone, not my cup of tea—BIG TIME. For me it boarders on disturbing and I wonder what the hell their Beta’s were thinking.
Crow runs screaming!
Originally posted by JessM View PostI agree, I really hope they've moved away from the ship and won't try it if he's in the finale. I think one of my worst nightmares would be to see them all standing looking at the gate, then Sam and Jack turn to each other and kiss, or walk away arm in arm... then Daniel and Vala do the same thing, leaving Mitchell and Teal'c looking at each other blankly.
Originally posted by JessM View PostI know the feeling of thinking you're reading a gen fic and suddenly it turns out to be 'ship. I was reading one in a Daniel fic archive. It was supposed to be an episode tag for Morpheus, seemed gen for a while and then it magically transformed into Daniel/Vala near the end. Puke.
And then a friend asked me to read a fic of hers on fanfiction.net. She's a Daniel whumper. No clue in her summary as to any pairings in the story, so I figured it was gen. Hah - I get to the fifth sentence, and surprise!! Daniel and Vala are married, as are Sam and Jack! I needed some big-time brain bleach for that.
I mean if people want to write stories like that, it's fine with me. I just wish they'd make a note of the pairings or ship first so I won't be in for any potentially unpleasant surprises.
Originally posted by JessM View PostI don't mind at all. I never saw anything shippy there. It did seem awkward to me - heck even the scene where Sam is crying over Jacob and Jack puts his arm around her seemed awkward to me. Jack was probably preoccupied thinking where he could find some good prunes
Ship or get off the plot.
Have RDA act as though he cares that his 2IC is crying on his shoulder or shoot the scene in a different way altogether.
Like you, I felt it came over awkward, it was part of that whole season where poor Amanda was emoting her socks off and might have well been playing against a brick wall for all the feedback RDA gave her. It made either Sam look weak (and I hate that, hate, hate, hate) or RDA look like a bad actor (and we know he can act, we've seen him do it with humour and skill for years).
The acting and directing choices were just weird.
Originally posted by JessM View PostNothing else has been going on in S9 and S10 to hint at S/J - and even when Jack came back in 200, I didn't see anything there to hint at ship either. It would seem quite odd to me to suddenly go back to it in the season finale or in the movies.
Originally posted by JessM View PostAmen - it's all about the team! That's what made the show so great for me. Let's keep it that way for the finale/movies.
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Originally posted by Dani347 View PostAnti shippers have done their share of moaning over the "not exactly" line. I may have done some moaning myself, I don't recall. I know I didn't do any crowing. But, now, I'm pretty philosophical on that line. It was one bad line that fortunately from my end didn't go anywhere. It hasn't colored the show, although it may color how people watch it, or watch Sam.
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Originally posted by Frostfox View PostPlease! I just ate dinner. Now I feel nauseous.
It's terribly bad etiquette to not make pairings clear in fanfic. I had a blazing on-line row with a writer who posted a story with quite explicit hetrosexual sex without warning the audience at all. She then had the audacity to complain about another writer posting slash which was clearly marked with the pairing and wasn't in any way explicit. We decided that she was just a bigot as it was clear that she couldn't understand what might be offensive about her attitude, that hetro sex was normal and that slash was sick and perverted, even if only implied (and much more tasteful than what she'd written!).
That was a scene which annoyed me.
Ship or get off the plot.
Have RDA act as though he cares that his 2IC is crying on his shoulder or shoot the scene in a different way altogether.
Like you, I felt it came over awkward, it was part of that whole season where poor Amanda was emoting her socks off and might have well been playing against a brick wall for all the feedback RDA gave her. It made either Sam look weak (and I hate that, hate, hate, hate) or RDA look like a bad actor (and we know he can act, we've seen him do it with humour and skill for years).
The acting and directing choices were just weird.
I'm hoping that it's dead and gone. Talking with friends on lj, a lot of the S/J shippers are moving on to new ships for other shows. It's a natural progression, most fans interest will wane in a show and they will pick up a new one and in season's 9 & 10, S/J ship has been mighty thin on the ground so it's only to be expected that the fanbase will thin.
I think this should be the motto of this thread! SG1 is far more important than S/J (or D/V or D/J or any individual character).
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Originally posted by JessM View PostI agree. I almost started losing some respect for Sam that season because of how weak she appeared at various times ... and I did think something was weird about the way RDA appeared to be acting. Like you said, it comes down to the acting and directing choices. They could have done things differently that could have resulted in some nice friendship scenes between Sam and Jack, but they had to go the "shippy" route and make things just so uncomfortable.
And those that liked the pairing could still read into it what they wanted to. And the rest of fandom could see the freindship and team bonding and it was SG1 and part of what made the show special and good.
Originally posted by JessM View PostI know a few S/J shippers who have become more interested in Atlantis and are shipping on that show now. I've noticed a few people on one Yahoo group I belong to start saying that they don't think anything could work out between Sam and Jack as he's in Washington now, and don't believe such a long-distance relationship could work out.
I wouldn't trust the writers of either show with any relationship. Not after this debacle.
Originally posted by JessM View PostOur rallying cry: It's all about the Team!!
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