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**the dancer of spaz** · 13 December 2005, 01:37 PM

Originally posted by jckfan55

Hmm--now if only I could pass off a trip to Baltimore as work-related.

I'm devising a plan as we speak - for both of us!

**the dancer of spaz** · 13 December 2005, 01:39 PM

Originally posted by ForeverSg1

Well I've decided to go ahead and buy a ticket to Shore Leave and Gabit 2.0 that way I know I'll at least have a ticket to get in. I'll worry about transportation issues next year after I've dealt with the stress from the holidays, family, and watching the second half of season nine.

I've told my husband about Shore Leave/Gabit and he already excited about going on vacation again. He's hoping Amanda will do more conventions in the states seeing as it seems to be the only way he is capable of getting me to travel. Huh, go figure.

Haha, good for you guys! That's so funny. I'm limiting my travels to Shore Leave (if that), as there's only so far I'm willing to travel alone.

**Uber** · 13 December 2005, 02:30 PM

BIG OL' HONKIN' GRACE UNDER PRESSURE SPOILERS......

Okay perhaps I'm in the minority...but I LOVED Grace Under Pressure...and I must humbly disagree my miniature geek friend in that I don't think this did ANYTHING negative to the Carter character. Quite the contrary actually.

See, the times Delusion!Sam were so Carter-like were the times they were talking about something or in a way that McKay knew Sam...and this consisted mostly of her sciencey side or when they just have their typical personalty clashes because he's an arrogant buffoon.

Spoiler:

Things get murkier in the murky deep dark waters when they discussed things outside of this arena...so he has to fill in the blanks with his own interpretation of Sam. Oh and as for that "I conjured you up for one last romp" line, Delusion!Sam corrects him (even his delusion wouldn't play along with his delusion of him and Real!Sam)...

Spoiler:

Delusion!Sam desperately tries to keep him from going through with his plan to waste tons of power in a futile attempt to propel the craft forward. Unfortunately, McKay being the arrogant buffoon that he is wouldn't listen to her, which of course was actually the wiser side of him telling him it was a bad idea. So Delusion!Sam tries to slow him down. At first, she tries to make him think he's doing something wrong technically...but he catches on.

Spoiler:

Unfortunately for Rodney, even his delusion didn't do what he would want her to do, doesn't agree with him about anything or dress the way he wanted because he knew Sam wouldn't either.

When the Puddle Jumper hits the ocean floor, McKay's relieved but Delusion!Sam knows it's not a good sign.

Spoiler:

Delusion!Sam won't help him with his plan but does help him with ideas to prolong his life and McKay actually takes this advice.

Spoiler:

Now I'm sure shippers have a problem with this scene because Sam didn't tell McKay she was with Jack and further that she didn't contradict McKay suggesting she was attracted to him. It's important to remember two key things here...firstly, Sam said she was attracted to him. Now she was toying with him at the time but still, she said it...

From Redemption 2:

Real!Sam kisses him on the cheek, he looks surprised.

McKay: (In reference to the kiss) That means you don't hate me.

Real!Sam: Maybe ... too bad for you.

McKay: Why?

Real!Sam: (Walking away from him, a HUGE smile on her face) I was more attracted to you when I did.

McKay: Really?? Right ...

Now we know McKay is holding a torch of sorts for Sam, is attracted to her and does respect her no matter how rude and arrogant he is to her when they work together...so for her to even suggest she's attracted to him on any level probably stuck with him.

But then he's bad with people...which is why he wouldn't notice or care if she had feelings for someone else. But then, even if he were observant, he wouldn't have seen anything between Sam and Jack because there wasn't occasion. So then, since Delusion!Sam is just that, his delusion, she'd have no reason to mention Jack because she is of his mind and HE didn't know.

Now he TRIES to play out his little fantasy with her after she gives him advice that he actually follows...and he gets a bit frisky, if you will.

Spoiler:

Delusion!Sam tries once again to get him to see that his idea is bad and tells him that this is why they could never have a relationship because he doesn't listen to people or trust them. McKay rants for awhile about why he believes he's entitled to feel that way because he feels let down by others. So in his mind, he has to depend on himself.

***To Be Continued***

**Uber** · 13 December 2005, 02:35 PM

BIG OL' HONKIN' GRACE UNDER PRESSURE SPOILERS......CONT'D......

As for the big scene with Delusion!Sam kissing McKay? It reminded me a lot of Urgo, when he was desperately trying to keep Sam from flipping that switch. He changed into whatever he could to get her to change her mind. How does that relate here? Let's put it into context. Delusion!Sam was there to help him but he's not listening to her advice. So not only does he not listen to or trust others, apparently he doesn't listen to or trust himself either. Delusion!Sam was desperate...so she tried one last ditch effort to get him to stop what he was doing.

Spoiler:

So Delusion!Sam was right (of course). And being a part of his subconscious, McKay should have listened to what she was warning. She tried everything...including seduction...to get him to stop. The problem was, Delusion!Sam had already established she wasn't interested in this so he knew she had ulterior motives for her advances.

I liked the scene near the end of the episode where he thought about Griffin's motivations for sacrificing himself...how he was a brave man and that it just didn't seem right that he died so that McKay could have a chance. By this time the jumper's pretty full of water (up to his neck) and McKay's almost ready to give up.

Spoiler:

Finally...the rescue. McKay questions it but Delusion!Sam assures him it's real and prods him to believe that they came for him. He finally listens to her and believes that he's going to be rescued.

Okay...my final assessment? There was nothing negative regarding Sam or ship. McKay tried to play out his fantasy but even his Delusion!Sam wasn't game until it was out of desperation to get him to not go through with his plan.

Furthermore...and this is key...Delusion!Sam wasn't real. She wasn't Sam. Sure, she had Sam-like qualities and she looked a lot like Sam, but she wasn't real. At all. She was however the one person that McKay knew he could count on for a solution...the ONE person he trusted in the universe to show him how to get out of that mess. This to me makes Real!Sam look great because McKay is so self sufficient that he doesn't depend on anyone. That is the only aspect of this episode that anyone should use to figure into their assessment of who Sam is. The rest is just Rodney McKay being Rodney McKay.

I compared her earlier as an AU like character, but she isn't even that. As this wasn't Sam but merely a hallucination, I see Delusion!Sam as just another character played by the brilliant and talented Amanda Tapping.

**minigeek** · 13 December 2005, 02:46 PM

Gah! LOL

Worst piece of script-writing DREK I've seen in a long time on either SG-1 or Atlantis. Were it not for the acting of AT and DH, I'd have been snoring before the second act.

The problem I had with it was that, it tried to pretend it was touching upon deep issues and psychological angst(s). It attempted to play at being erudite in its message, when in point of fact it came off as nothing more than a flat 2-dimensional facimilie of what it could have been. It began with the potential to delve into an intelligent character epiphany, yet it made no real profound point(s) by the time the curtain fell. We were left with ... nothing. Sure, some of the dialogue was cute and witty; certainly AT and DH did a marvelous job teasing and snarking at one another, but an episode based solely on AT and DH's characters flinging personal and professional innuendo(s) at one another does not (for me) make a particularily thought provoking piece of entertainment. It didn't stand on its own. It had no message OTHER than the snark-banter the characters threw back and forth. That kind of snark should support a good storyline, not entail it.

Most unfortunately, GUP did nothing significant to develop the character of Rodney. It pretended it was going to and then it fell flat on its face. To my point of view, you could turn off the sound entirely, completely ignore the dialogue and still get the same impact from the episode as if you had the sound on. That's a credit to the actors, and not the script.

So nope. GUP goes directly on my "suckage" list. Do not pass go, do not collect $200. We shall agree to disagree, your Uberness.

HOWEVER ... it was most definitely a joy to see AT on screen again, I do agree on that point entirely.

mini(themoderatelydisgustedwithGUP)geek

PS--> I should point out that I could care less about the 'ship factor or the fact that Sam was half naked, in fact I was looking forward to Rodney's little "fantasy", I really was. But in context. Within the scope of something resembling an intelligent narrative that had something meaningful to impart to the audience. A good story, perhaps? I saw none of that in GUP. I saw the ghost of a shell of a plot with contrived devices

Spoiler:

- and that does not make a good piece of fiction. There has to be something BEHIND the episode, something that matters more than a snark-a-thon between two characters, regardless of how amusing it may be to watch said snark-a-thon. I really just wanted.... more.

**Uber** · 13 December 2005, 03:15 PM

Originally posted by minigeek

Gah! LOL

Worst piece of script-writing DREK I've seen in a long time on either SG-1 or Atlantis. Were it not for the acting of AT and DH, I'd have been snoring before the second act.

The problem I had with it was that, it tried to pretend it was touching upon deep issues and psychological angst(s). It attempted to play at being erudite in its message, when in point of fact it came off as nothing more than a flat 2-dimensional facimilie of what it could have been. It began with the potential to delve into an intelligent character epiphany, yet it made no real profound point(s) by the time the curtain fell. We were left with ... nothing. Sure, some of the dialogue was cute and witty; certainly AT and DH did a marvelous job teasing and snarking at one another, but an episode based solely on AT and DH's characters flinging personal and professional innuendo(s) at one another does not (for me) make a particularily thought provoking piece of entertainment. It didn't stand on its own. It had no message OTHER than the snark-banter the characters threw back and forth. That kind of snark should support a good storyline, not entail it.

Most unfortunately, GUP did nothing significant to develop the character of Rodney. It pretended it was going to and then it fell flat on its face. To my point of view, you could turn off the sound entirely, completely ignore the dialogue and still get the same impact from the episode as if you had the sound on. That's a credit to the actors, and not the script.

So nope. GUP goes directly on my "suckage" list. Do not pass go, do not collect $200. We shall agree to disagree, your Uberness.

HOWEVER ... it was most definitely a joy to see AT on screen again, I do agree on that point entirely.

mini(themoderatelydisgustedwithGUP)geek

PS--> I should point out that I could care less about the 'ship factor or the fact that Sam was half naked, in fact I was looking forward to Rodney's little "fantasy", I really was. But in context. Within the scope of something resembling an intelligent narrative that had something meaningful to impart to the audience. A good story, perhaps? I saw none of that in GUP. I saw the ghost of a shell of a plot with contrived devices

Spoiler:

- and that does not make a good piece of fiction. There has to be something BEHIND the episode, something that matters more than a snark-a-thon between two characters, regardless of how amusing it may be to watch said snark-a-thon. I really just wanted.... more.

Wow.

**minigeek** · 13 December 2005, 03:19 PM

Originally posted by ÜberSG-1Fan

Wow.

But I still love YOU Überness!

.

**ChopinGal** · 13 December 2005, 03:28 PM

Originally posted by minigeek

Gah! LOL

Worst piece of script-writing DREK I've seen in a long time on either SG-1 or Atlantis ...

... It attempted to play at being erudite in its message, when in point of fact it came off as nothing more than a flat 2-dimensional facsimile of what it could have been ... it made no real profound point(s) by the time the curtain fell. We were left with ... nothing. Sure, some of the dialogue was cute and witty; ... but an episode based solely on ... characters flinging personal and professional innuendo(s) at one another does not (for me) make a particularily thought provoking piece of entertainment. It didn't stand on its own. It had no message OTHER than the snark-banter the characters threw back and forth. That kind of snark should support a good storyline, not entail it.

mini(themoderatelydisgustedwithGUP)geek

... I saw the ghost of a shell of a plot with contrived devices ... and that does not make a good piece of fiction. There has to be something BEHIND the episode, something that matters more than a snark-a-thon between two characters, regardless of how amusing it may be to watch said snark-a-thon. I really just wanted.... more.

Well, mini, I've taken liberty with your post and just left the words (hopefully with context still in place) that spoke to me about some other scripts and another couple ... much of this reminded me of Daniel and Vala in action too.

I really just wanted more too.

**minigeek** · 13 December 2005, 03:32 PM

Originally posted by ChopinGal

Well, mini, I've taken liberty with your post and just left the words (hopefully with context still in place) that spoke to me about some other scripts and another couple ... much of this reminded me of Daniel and Vala in action too.

I really just wanted more too.

I think you're bang on with that. Very similar indeed. I'm disappointed to see that Martin Gero wrote GUP. I've liked many of his other episodes. Oh well, I suppose one cannot like every single thing a person writes.

**ChopinGal** · 13 December 2005, 03:35 PM

CAPTIONARY

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y11...l/Lipstick.jpg

**minigeek** · 13 December 2005, 03:36 PM

Originally posted by ChopinGal

CAPTIONARY

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y11...l/Lipstick.jpg

LOL! OMG I hadn't seen that one before! That's priceless! Afraid I can't do a caption justice.

**ChopinGal** · 13 December 2005, 03:44 PM

And, this just in ... hot off the Samanda press:

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y11...Gal/boxing.jpg

Two Samandans settle their disputes in the ring ... but the boxers were not identified. Is it Lys and Spaz? Or is it Uber and minigeek?!

**ChopinGal** · 13 December 2005, 03:47 PM

Originally posted by minigeek

LOL! OMG I hadn't seen that one before! That's priceless! Afraid I can't do a caption justice.

LOL back at you! Exactly ... kinda leaves one speechless, doesn't it?! But I'm sure our fellow Samandans will rise to the occasion. Thanks to my scifi buddy, Geogirl, once again for what seems to be a very playful moment on the set or at a con!

**minigeek** · 13 December 2005, 03:51 PM

Originally posted by ChopinGal

And, this just in ... hot off the Samanda press:

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y11...Gal/boxing.jpg

Two Samandans settle their disputes in the ring ... but the boxers were not identified. Is it Lys and Spaz? Or is it Uber and minigeek?!

Actually, I'm more of a tai kwon do gal myself...
(that's me out in front):

And this is my dad:

And this is my dog:

And now I'm done.

.

**Agent_Dark** · 13 December 2005, 04:14 PM

Well, I just watched GUP - and I liked it

Spoiler:

Anyway, it was an enjoyable episode, and worth it for that one scene alone

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