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**Zoser** · 17 November 2004, 10:50 AM

Originally posted by _Anubis

ooh cool nice new signature Very cool you can see that Sam is pissed off Look at her face

and she really wants to shoot !!

Probably wants to kick Jack's a$$ for making her wait 7 years

and then finds him

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**Critter** · 17 November 2004, 10:56 AM

Originally posted by Kri

hus·sy ( P ) Pronunciation Key (hz, hs)
n. pl. hus·sies
1. A woman considered brazen or immoral.
2. A saucy or impudent girl.

What a nice way to say it....

I like that "saucy" part!!!

Oh yeah, Sam and Jack better get together by the end of this season or I am going to have to take drastic measures.....like stop watching the show.

**Critter** · 17 November 2004, 10:58 AM

Originally posted by Just the Zat's Ma'am

*sigh*

Ok, I'm in a little bit of a bad mood right now so if this comes out harsh it is not meant to be. Real life just tends to get in the way sometimes . . .

So anyway; why in the world does everyone want to get rid of Sam for a while just because she's pregnant. I know that some of you have kids of your own; and I'm speaking from a husband who's wife just gave birth about a month ago. It is my understanding that the shooting schedule worked out where AT wouldn't be showing. So the pregnancy was not going to play into the show. Besides you can always shoot around a belly. So what if Sam gets a little puffy in the face, she'll still be beautiful! However I'll keel over if someone says that she's "glowing" in an episode.

For crying out loud though, everyone wants her to "ascend" for a while or "die" for a while or get captured. Geez; she's just pregnant, not an invalid.

Maybe I missed a thread or an update where she said she was going to have to miss some filming. But it's not like every scene has Sam in it, they could shoot the scenes without Sam first if she's going to be late. They finished out Season 8 just fine, and I don't see it being that big of a deal for the start of Season 9. It took about 2 weeks before my wife went back to looking the way she did before she was pregnant (I know that all women are different) and now two weeks later she's back to everyday stuff. For crying out loud let AT do what she feels like, why in the world do we have to bring up the crappy "Ascending" bs whenever someone is sick for a day of work or needs to be on leave or something.

Like I said, perhaps a bad time to write this. But geez, why does everyone want to make Sam dissappear for a while? If RDA is only doing 4 episodes and Sam is "out of it" for 2 episodes then that leave a potential for only 2 sam&jack episodes.

Ok, getting down off my rant box now, but c'mon. There's more I could say but I think I've said enough for once.

What a lucky wife you have....having a baby is a gift, not a disease. Well said and kudos to you (((((zats))))) and ((((((zats wife and little critter))))))

**antares** · 17 November 2004, 11:00 AM

Originally posted by Zoser

I see Sam as some what emotionally immature. Consider how she reacts to Gen. O'Neill. Jack had a much more relaxed relationship to Hammond - visited him in his house, called him George - Carter jumps like a school girl when Jack walks into the room. She supposedly know the guy for 7-8 years. Maybe it is just bad writing.

I think there is also the element of LACK of command experience (yeah, I know she's had a few things when Jack wasn't there. That's different than always in command.) and lack of opportunity to develop the self-confidence that comes with giving orders and having things work. (another reason for wanting tptb to show Sam having to make the Hard choices). She's very self-confident where her pronouncements on the stargate are.

Jack was a full bird col. for at least several years before he even met Hammond. He's been in command of alot of missions (both before the gate program as well as since), and he has the self-confidence to match. Being in black ops he's done alot of stuff where he had to make choices as to how to fulfill the mission objectives. That brings lots of self-confidence. Sam has always had to bring her ideas to superiors and they choose.

And as many a fic writer has brought up, as a woman in a man's world, she has to do more to prove she's competent (and mindful of form) than many a guy would. (and after talking to my male chauvanist pig brother, who recently retired from the AF, I'd say there's some truth to that!)

And yeah, I'd agree there's poor writing there!

Kris

**sueKay** · 17 November 2004, 11:18 AM

Okay peeps...

Back on for a second...

Here's what I THINK will happen in season eight part 2

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This is Speculation. I just needed to air my ramblings!

**samisjacksgal** · 17 November 2004, 11:20 AM

Originally posted by Zoser

One of my absolute favorites too
It inspired my to write "Smoke" http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2082238/1/

thats a great fic

brought a big smile to my face

**Anakin** · 17 November 2004, 11:24 AM

Originally posted by TameFarrar

Gads!!! I so agree with you on that pink parfait jacket...MAJOR FISCHER I LOVE THE NEW SIGNATURE!!!!!!

I also agree with both you and Sally...and a few others...if TPTB have to resort to Ascension YET again...well then geez....PLEASE PLEASE someone .....Oh heck I WILL CALL THEM ...HIRE ONE just one new writer....

One new writer has GOT TO HAVE a new idea... please!!!!

ok I feel better know

Yeah, you know, that's almost exactly what I was discussing with a friend on MSN... Of course, before I start ranting, leave it to TPTB's responsibility to screw up if they can BUT... In all logic...

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And once again, I've got a blank post...

**Bucky** · 17 November 2004, 11:25 AM

Originally posted by Rogue

Originally posted by Pallas

Anyone here know why Jack joined the military?? I´ve just read that when he was a teenager he was given a choice by a judge- jail or the military. !!!??? I didn´t know that.

It´s incredible after 8 years Stargate still keeps surprising me..
I´d love Jack´s past would show up in an ep and see how a family´s dinner would be with Jack, Sam and their families!! Doesn't Jack have a degree from the AF academy? The pictures of his office showed a diploma from the academy. If so, how does that fit in with a questionable past?

I think the jail or military is fanon--probably from the season 2 episode, "Prisoners," when he acknowledges to Daniel that he has been in prison. He'd been warning Daniel not to show any sign of weakness, thus indicating that he has some idea of prison sub-culture. But what we do know is that he had been in an Iraqi prison during the Gulf War. I don't know of any other references to his being a prisoner or having a troubled adolescence. And the diploma from the Air Force Academy is a college degree. The Air Force Academy is like West Point or Annapolis or any of the other military academies: one has to be recommended by a congressman--it's not open application.

But I agree. I'd loved to see more about Jack's background. Does he have *any* living family? Jack is around fifty--there's every reason to suppose one or more parents or aunts, uncles, etc. could be living. "Fragile Balance" implied that he had no siblings, but didn't confirm it. Anyway--more on what makes Jack tick would be nice.

Bucky

**antares** · 17 November 2004, 11:25 AM

[QUOTE="Just the Zat's Ma'am
It is my understanding that the shooting schedule worked out where AT wouldn't be showing. So the pregnancy was not going to play into the show. Besides you can always shoot around a belly. So what if Sam gets a little puffy in the face, she'll still be beautiful! However I'll keel over if someone says that she's "glowing" in an episode.[/QUOTE]

She wasn't showing for last summer's filming, but she's due the middle of march and they start filming the begining of march. So yeah, they either film her scenes later (as to whether she's up to filming when she's 8 1/2 months is questionable. lots of standing and walking gets physically hard as joints loosen considerably.), shooting around her belly with her not very physically active, or they write her out for a few eps. That doesn't mean we only get two S/J eps. After all, who says Jack has to be in those eps? <blink,

, blink>

How about if she's glowing because she's ascended?

I'm not one for the ascended plot line either. (I won't say anything about daniel being reascended.)

It took about 2 weeks before my wife went back to looking the way she did before she was pregnant (I know that all women are different) and now two weeks later she's back to everyday stuff. For crying out loud let AT do what she feels like.

Congratulations on your new baby. Have you been getting enough sleep?

getting back to pre-pregnant looks in two weeks is very unusual. I've known many a pregnat woman, I can count on one hand the number who were 'back' in two - three months (and full physical recovery is about six weeks. That's medically normal. That doesn't include abdominal muscles. grrr.), even with first babies.

Even if AT bounces back quickly, she'll still be more tired if for no other reason than somebody's keeping her up at night

I'm sure AT will do what she and her Dr. feel she's up to. That's why she had to cancel a number of con. appearances.

Kris

**sclairef99** · 17 November 2004, 11:29 AM

Originally posted by meimei

THis is the official SciFi info on O'Neill (MGM has similar more detailed but I don't have those links at work.) It says he joined at 18 but nothing about jail.

http://www.scifi.com/stargate/cast/oneil.html

I will look up my other links when I get home if it is still in question by then. Thread moves on pretty quickly!

Interesting...that in SG1 they make sure O'Neill is spelled w/2 LL's but on their web page designation they only use one!

Ok...I'm being anal....must be my bean counter part of the day....

Back to regularly scheduled shipping...

S

**auralan** · 17 November 2004, 11:36 AM

Originally posted by meimei

AT is due in March. Shooting starts in March. It's not so much a question of hiding the pregnancy as it is the fact the she will be recovering from the birth. I doubt she wants to give birth one day and start shooting SG1 the next. That's what the big hoopla is over her absence. Although I will reiterate my earlier comments, TPTB have spent the last two years shooting around a missing RDA, they should be able to shoot around a missing AT for a little while.

I don't see it as that big a deal, either. They do single-character-focused stories and film out of order all the time these days. They'll probably just save her scenes and the Sam-focused episodes for when she comes back. Shooting may start in March, but airing isn't until July. That's plenty of time to catch up. Personally, I vote for letting CJ write a couple rebel jaffa focused stories for early in the season. I always love his episodes and there are some good recurring characters in that area.

And Adam Baldwin could also carry some of the load.

Yes, it's nice in delusionville this time of year.

**sueKay** · 17 November 2004, 11:43 AM

Originally posted by Bucky

I think the jail or military is fanon--probably from the season 2 episode, "Prisoners," when he acknowledges to Daniel that he has been in prison. He'd been warning Daniel not to show any sign of weakness, thus indicating that he has some idea of prison sub-culture. But what we do know is that he had been in an Iraqi prison during the Gulf War. I don't know of any other references to his being a prisoner or having a troubled adolescence. And the diploma from the Air Force Academy is a college degree. The Air Force Academy is like West Point or Annapolis or any of the other military academies: one has to be recommended by a congressman--it's not open application.

But I agree. I'd loved to see more about Jack's background. Does he have *any* living family? Jack is around fifty--there's every reason to suppose one or more parents or aunts, uncles, etc. could be living. "Fragile Balance" implied that he had no siblings, but didn't confirm it. Anyway--more on what makes Jack tick would be nice.

Bucky

I'd LOVE to find out more about Jack, particularly his family and his Black Ops past.

Regarding his degree.

To be the rank he is at, he has to have a Masters Degree or equivalent. Think he has another we don't know about?

BTW - What's a college degree? Is that a three year one?

**antares** · 17 November 2004, 11:49 AM

Originally posted by sclairef99

Interesting...that in SG1 they make sure O'Neill is spelled w/2 LL's but on their web page designation they only use one!

Ok...I'm being anal....must be my bean counter part of the day....

Back to regularly scheduled shipping...

S

I think Kurt Russell was the O'Neil with ONE "L" and NO sense of humor

Maybe someone forgot to update for the series. <lol>

Kris

**Bucky** · 17 November 2004, 11:50 AM

Originally posted by sueKay

I'd LOVE to find out more about Jack, particularly his family and his Black Ops past.

Regarding his degree.

To be the rank he is at, he has to have a Masters Degree or equivalent. Think he has another we don't know about?

BTW - What's a college degree? Is that a three year one?

It's a four year undergraduate degree. I believe the one from the Air Force Academy is a Bachelor of Science.

Bucky

**TameFarrar** · 17 November 2004, 11:50 AM

Originally posted by sueKay

(((((((((((((((Tame))))))))))))))))
You have to be the most happy go lucky person EVER!!!!
I didn't know you were a mummy! I thought you were a member of VHEMT???
I'll stop babbling now.
*wanders off babbling absent-mindedly*

LOL (((((SueKay)))))) you are the sweetest....well I am only a member for the ............. how do I say this delicately....... I support the Worms

But yes I am a Mum...My Twins however are turning 18 years in just about 1 month so that is why I am ALOT calmer about things

I HAVE SURVIVED THE TEENAGE YEARS!!!!!! Bring it PTB you have NOTHING on a couple of Teenagers

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