Sam Carter/Jack O'Neill Ship Discussion Thread

[hedwig]

*sniffle* Can I have some blue Jello!

Of course you can. Cookies, blue jello, pie. Anything else?

[Sparky She-Demon]

Brownies would also be tasty!

[meredithe5]

Brownies would also be tasty!

ooo yum!

[Sparky She-Demon]

Yes. I'm on a chocolate craze at the moment! Brownies are sooo good!

[Lt.Colonel John Sheppard]

hey here's a question: how come neither Jack nor Sam ever recieved the Medal of Honor award? and yet Mitchell did?

[Sparky She-Demon]

hey here's a question: how come neither Jack nor Sam ever recieved the Medal of Honor award? and yet Mitchell did?

Whoah, whoah, whoah. Back up. Show me the picture with the ribbon on Mitchell's uniform. Mitchell was awarded the Medal of Honor???

[hedwig]

Whoah, whoah, whoah. Back up. Show me the picture with the ribbon on Mitchell's uniform. Mitchell was awarded the Medal of Honor???

He got it when he was in the hospital recovering from his injuries in Antarctica. For some reason, Sam was shown to be the one giving it to him. At least I'm assuming that's the one being referred to.

[fems]

Whoah, whoah, whoah. Back up. Show me the picture with the ribbon on Mitchell's uniform. Mitchell was awarded the Medal of Honor???

Yup, for his contribution (read: crashing an expensive F302 and killing his copilot) in the dogfight above Antarctica. It's shown in one of his flashbacks during Avalon.

CARTER
The Congressional Medal of Honor is the highest award for valor in action against an enemy force that can be bestowed upon an individual serving in the Armed Services of the United States of America. On behalf of the President…

So, clearly, that was a hallucination induced by whatever painkillers/sedatives he was on at the time in the hospital, since the Medal of Honor is always presented by the President himself. I also believe calling it the 'congressional' Medal of Honor is incorrect, but I'm not 100% certain.

[Lt.Colonel John Sheppard]

Yup, for his contribution (read: crashing an expensive F302 and killing his copilot) in the dogfight above Antarctica. It's shown in one of his flashbacks during New Order.

CARTER
The Congressional Medal of Honor is the highest award for valor in action against an enemy force that can be bestowed upon an individual serving in the Armed Services of the United States of America. On behalf of the President…

So, clearly, that was a hallucination induced by whatever painkillers/sedatives he was on at the time in the hospital, since the Medal of Honor is always presented by the President himself. I also believe calling it the 'congressional' Medal of Honor is incorrect, but I'm not 100% certain.

your right it's always called the medal of honor. and also it was Avalon Part 1 not New Order. but she said on behalf of the president so it's probably real and not a hallucination. then again i'll have to re watch the episode myself.

[Sparky She-Demon]

No, it's called the Congressional Medal of Honor.

[fems]

your right it's always called the medal of honor. and also it was Avalon Part 1 not New Order. but she said on behalf of the president so it's probably real and not a hallucination. then again i'll have to re watch the episode myself.

Whoops! My first thought was New Order and I checked that transcript immediately until I realized that was a season too soon... it's just the name of the episode that I associate with the new direction the show went into in season nine. I corrected it though.

[Jolinar_of_Malkshur]

I agree that Threads has some poignant moments but the scene in Jack's office when Kerry dumps him was kind of ruined for me by her claiming he could just retire and come back as a civilian, since the regs would then still apply with him in command of the base!

And yeah, RDA and AT did an amazing job with Jack and Sam. Especially when you hear stories like the one from the other day, when someone here was babysitting someone else's three(?)-year-old kid and the kid thought Sam and Jack were in love when seeing them on TV because his mom and dad looked at each other the same way...

Ah, that little detail always bugged me as well! I hated when TPTB would pick and choose which part of the frat regs applied and just drop the rest as though they don't exist!

Also, that story was so cute. What a perceptive little boy - I love how children just tell it how it is, so to speak

[SGSuzi]

I think the thing with Threads is that that episode could have been movie length. I do believe there was so much else happening off screen between Jack and Sam. I'm of the belief that there was words before the observation room scene, I also think Jacob would have put his thoughts in to Jack as well at some point.

As for wether Sam loved Jack more, I don't think that's true at all, I think they both have very deep feelings for each other. I think Jack just keeps his hidden a lot more, and that's pretty normal for men really, women are defiantly more open emotionally it's kind of just our make up. You can see every time Sam is in danger the uttermost love on Jacks face and the fear he has of losing her, the same for Sam. In fact I also think Sam did a pretty good job of hiding her feeling too it wasn't really until season 7 that it all started to get a bit much for her, and then the whole thing happened. It would have been far easier if it had got a bit too much for jack at the same time then we wouldn't have had all the upset of season 7/8 but then again it proved a point and ended up with the right outcome.

[Nynaeve506]

If Jack retired, there's no way on God's green earth they would let him continue to command the base. He wouldn't come back as anything but an advisor because it's a military installation (unlike Atlantis which was foreign territory and an international unit comprised of both civilians and military), therefore a general would need to be in charge of it. If anything, I think Kerry's subtext is - "You've done enough for this country, if she means that much, retire, leave, get the heck out." Go fishing, in other words.

So no, they weren't playing willy nilly with the regs. He wouldn't have been able to stay on in his capacity.

[SGSuzi]

Okay then a question, do you think Jack tried to retire after threads, do you think that the move to Washington was all part of Sam and Jack relationship, or do you think that it was just circumstances?

I know in SGA the return, Jack does say about retiring, and Sam also mentions it in SGA too, but then we know he doesn't retire due to him appearing in SGU. If someone wants to retire from the USAF can they really be stopped?