Gateworld Virtual Fleet 4.0 - Discussion thread

[thekillman]

by the way, most factories will probably be mining, farming and basic refining.

IE, there will be oil rigs and gas rigs, but i don't see any oil refinery being placed there. too big and too complex. ore however would be practically essential, as well as steel factories.

concrete factories, asphalt factories, facilities for sand and stuff, wood processing etc.


the civillians will probably live near the gate, most industrial stuff is most likely further away.

[lord groovy]

And i agree on the colony structure, the Europeans led the world in colonisation a long time ago, some successful some not, but experience would have taught them where they went wrong.

And they didn't invest in the SG program as much as the US, Russia or even China now. Their best bet so far is on colonization and maybe relations with alien humans.

Which would mean that it will be a civilian authority that has tacit agreement with UN army for defense and protection. I think that the Un will have headquarters next to the gate and advise people to live just a little farther. Between them you'll probably find the the local headquarters of civilian companies like TechCon and some warehouses.

And I imagine the gate surroundings like this with the main road replaced maybe a rail track.

Spoiler:

Lots of trees and public gardens and no skyscrapers (or maybe one just to show those alien humans how awesome we are ) .

With such configuration, the buildings close to the gate will have that blocky and prefab look while those suburbs will just be nicer to live in.

[thekillman]

And they didn't invest in the SG program as much as the US, Russia or even China now. Their best bet so far is on colonization and maybe relations with alien humans.

how do you know? practically every european nation signed the Arctic Treaty and therefore knows of the Stargate. considering some major projects get major EU funding, i think the EU is dug in deep in terms of research.

also your comment: it would make EU cooperation only more likely as they would have plenty of money left to do funding.

[immhotep]

GWVF 1.0: evolved to 2.0 evolved to 3.0

GWVF 3.0: died because of the intense insane complexity of the universe, beautiful fleet but impossible to comprehend.

for the sake of the fleet, Davidt Tourniquet and Mckoy should be in command, as the people with experience and the people of command.

i have no idea about PJOZ's commanding abilities. by the way can we drop that whole "commander"/"admiral" act? i hate it. it takes a damn lot more for me to respect someone like that. like my enourmous respect for Immhotep, and my respect for Davidt and Mckoy. they really deserve it because they made something and they made it great, and they of all people know what they're talking about. though i do not always agree, i do repect them

I agree that DT and Mckoy should be able to take over. If i had the time and the ability still i would return to help out more, it would be great to but I will only be taking my interest in this fleet as much as i can, who knows though. Thank you for the support though, ill always be here for support where im needed.

Now as to colonial infrastructure, i spent along time thinking about this. The initial development of camps offworld should follow the function intended for the planet. E.g. mining planets will need storage and processing facilities, as well as transport in large volumes, which should be by some kind of ship or freight train system, potentially beaming technology in the future once infrastructure is more developed. A general interested planet, wherby a small exploration base can be a prefab like the origional Alpha site, with self contained labs, armory and powerplant. Close to the gate and well defended. Military complex's should be SGC like but not to the level say icarus was, which was half way up a mountain and impractical.
I have got an old design for a ship that i want to reintroduce and revamp. Its the idea of a mobile land base which is a ship. Its not a cityship or anything like that. But its basicly a reformatted version of the deadalus which can land and be deployed as a full military complex with fighter squadren, shield and weapons, these can fly around the galaxy and reinforce various colonies, in a similar way that the goauld visit thier planet. We should also have some more specialised ships, which can deploy more advanced, specific technologies to intensively help out to colonies. Such as mining vessels, medical hospital ships, freight ships. That can allow large investments into the development of colonies and boost them being set up.

Tep

[thekillman]

you have a lot of knowledge and ideas in your head, Tep, it would be a shame to just throw several fleets worth of experience out of the window.

1: agreed on the colony establisment.

2: i'm not sure whether earth is technologically capable of building a "Baseship". i do think however that a processing vessel will -eventually- be pursued. one of our craft deploys mining vessels, the minerals are ringed up to the refinery ship, which then refines the materials and loads a Freighter.

i think especially some sort of refinery and production ship will be desired, as such industrial plants often require lots of advanced technology and precise engineering, too much to deploy just like that. if the supply line runs dry, the vessel leaves to the next planet.

actually i believe that it's the best method of off-world mining:


-a Crawler: this is a mobile Stripmine facility: this is a quite high-tech threaded mining machine which scoops up material and filters.

-a Mining Base. this a building, which is beamed down to the planet. the Crawlers have a conveyer system which, combined with Conveyer lines set up towards the Base, transport all the goods. the mining base has a large, 10 meter or so wide industrial ring system. the technology is incorporated into the buffer chamber, so this chamber is filled with ore, then once full all is beamed up towards the refinery ship.

-a Refinery Ship. an industrial vessel, which can dock onto a Freighter for maximum effectivity. both the Refinery and Freighter fill their reserves, then leave. Industrial Containers (which is what the freighter carries BTW) are emptied, and the Mining Base starts filling those. the Refinery Group leaves to the next destination, a trip of a week or so (to conserve power and to refine all materials in the mean time). once they arrived, the Freighter's containers are filled with processed materials, the filled freighter leaves to earth and a new, empty freighter jumps in. containers are beamed up and down to fill the stores again, the refinery vessel fills the store and they leave again for the next mining colony.

-this is a system primarily for remote, discrete mining facilities.

[fugiman]

Hey guys I was thinking that it would be fun if some of us wrote how the stargate program was unveiled to the general public and we vote on which one we like the best and that we can set up our back story for earth

[Davidtourniquet]

Well Mcoy already done a backstory weeks ago. Can't remember if that covered disclosure.

[fugiman]

I don't think he did as he wanted us to have more wiggle room with SGU so that is why I thought this idea would be a good idea for people who aren't science and ship based and would like to contribute something without it being torn to shreds as this is a story idea

[Davidtourniquet]

Well it would be a good idea.

[puddlejumperOZ]

How does this sound. A New Zealand research team operating out of their base near McMurdo stumble across a wrecked Alkesh and F302. But before the NZ and Australian governments can stop them, these civvies go to the press and show the evidence of an alien incursion and the US's involvement.

[jackclone1]

How does this sound. A New Zealand research team operating out of their base near McMurdo stumble across a wrecked Alkesh and F302. But before the NZ and Australian governments can stop them, these civvies go to the press and show the evidence of an alien incursion and the US's involvement.

That would make sense PJ, as both NZ and Australia have the closest bases to McMurdo and the Antarctic SGC base. Sounds like a plan.

Last count on the fighter votes finishes today.

Current count:

Davidtourniquet:___3
Vortex

bradly08:_________2
Hawk

thekillman:________2
Aethon

immhotep:________0
Medusa/Hydra

Princess Awinita:____1 (Startail), 0 (Windfire)
Windfire or Startail

blackluster:________2
Asagai

puddlejumperOZ:___4
F-100, Mk. I and II

fugiman:__________3
Merlin



Voters:
Thekillman (2/2), Davidtourniquet (2/2), Bradly08 (1/2), Princess Awinita (2/2), Lt. Col. Mcoy (1/1), puddlejumperOZ (2/2), fugiman (2/2), blackluster (2/2), Jackclone1 (1/1)

[Davidtourniquet]

I don't see how PJOZ has got 4, last time he only had 2, Jackclone, you had one vote for him so that makes him on 3, the same as me. Also if you count the votes at the bottom, there's been 15 votes cast and you are suggesting there have been 16 votes cast.

This is what it is:

Current count:

Davidtourniquet:___3
Vortex

bradly08:_________2
Hawk

thekillman:________2
Aethon

immhotep:________0
Medusa/Hydra

Princess Awinita:____1 (Startail), 0 (Windfire)
Windfire or Startail

blackluster:________2
Asagai

puddlejumperOZ:___3
F-100, Mk. I and II

fugiman:__________2
Merlin



Voters:
Thekillman (2/2), Davidtourniquet (2/2), Bradly08 (1/2), Princess Awinita (2/2), Lt. Col. Mcoy (1/1), puddlejumperOZ (2/2), fugiman (2/2), blackluster (2/2), Jackclone1 (1/1)

[jackclone1]

Go back Dave, Fugi voted for both his own and PJ's, Mcoy missed the count, sorry. Fugi's ship should be 3.
Herehttp://forum.gateworld.net/threads/7...1#post11671928

[Davidtourniquet]

So if fugi's on 3, then there's 3 people on 3 votes!
Also, (and I've just noticed this), what is it with people submitting more than one spec? and asgard shields on a fighter, you've got to be kidding me!

[Princess Awinita]

Actually the Admiral and myself are the only two that submitted a pair of specs instead of just one. Personally even if nither of my fighters are voted on, they can still be used for missions, at this point they are the only fighters that are stargate capible.

Also, am having one heck of a trip this week, birthday was yesterday my time, its 5 am now, and the plan is MORE camping, meaning no compy for another 50 hours or so