Original Starship Design Thread

[QueteshRuled]

thank you for the math. i probably shouldve done it myself but im really busy and my brother is constantly making me do things for him and partially because i never got around to it. also, i just wanted to point out about the cell phone communicator part, and i agree with thekillman in that jules verne predicted many devices, such as the submarine. he didnt invent it

[Cmdr. Setsuna F. Seyei]

technically jules verne did invent the submarine it was just that we did not have the technology to build one like the one he wrote about at the time he wrote the story.

just because someone does not actually make the item/device does not mean that they did not invent it. it came from thier mind. therefore they invented it.

much like Leonardo davinci inveted the helicopter. our modern day helos are based off of his designs.

[thekillman]

not exactly. Da Vinci was pretty darn close to building actual helicopters. Star Trek did not invent the communicator. maybe conceived the idea. however they hardly, hardly could make one.

granted, some things simply CANT be made. but there's a humongous difference between " i have a box that communicates" and "here are the designs for a box capable of communicating"


Da vinci's drawings were so accurate that several of his designs were actually made.

i am not sure how accurate Jule Verne's depictions of submarines were.

[Achiles]

I would say your all wrong about the submarine since the first use of one was before Jules Vern was born, if you call the Turtle submersible a submarine which it basically is even used in combat.

[Cmdr. Setsuna F. Seyei]

too true achiles.

the descriptions of vernes Nautilus or at least the some of the equipment inside of it was pretty close to what we use today.(if i remember correctly.)


the fact still remains that even if someone cant actually create the device the fact that the idea caame from them at the very least means that they are a source of inspiration. and the root cause much of the time for the advancement of technology.

in other words the one whom actually makes it work may be the father or mother of the invention but the person who gave them the idea could be called the grandparent.

[thekillman]

the fact still remains that even if someone cant actually create the device the fact that the idea caame from them at the very least means that they are a source of inspiration. and the root cause much of the time for the advancement of technology.

nonononono. you ignore what i said. there's a difference between whether someone, given he had the exact knowledge and tools to do it, could arguably make the device, and someone inventing a device he doesn't know a THING of.


Star Trek is a prime example of the second thing. they had a (i believe insignia) that could communicate. how, nobody knows.

Jules Verne, if what you say is true, had at least SOME idea of how it would look like and thus is a good example of how fiction sometimes runs ahead of real time.

Da Vinci was another good example of someone actually inventing things as opposed to merely inspiring them.

[Cmdr. Setsuna F. Seyei]

when i mentioned star trek i was talking about the original ST not ST:tng

[QueteshRuled]

i have the enterprise ncc1701d technical manual and it responds to a finger touch and routes the communications to a nearby tricorder or the ship, using available transmitters as relays. it also responds to voice commands and has a tracker inside to be able to iddentify anyone on the ship.

[brick24alpha]

This ships described in this post would not fit into the ‘normal’ stargate timeline and are intended for a project I have ongoing called An Empire Ascendant, a stargate timeline.

Background and terms

Spoiler:

Setting: Mid-1970s, Stargate discovered 1928 and an active program has been operating from 1930 then on. Timeline itself starts in 1800. This is for the 2nd Generation of ships design by the British, although they have been building and refitting hyperspace capable craft for more then 15 years by this point.

Technology Base: British (includes Seran's aka Martin's people and the Dome people) and Brit’tok’ra/Goa’uld , technical assistance provided from the Asgard, Tollan, and Orban.

Specific terms:
EC-1,EC-2,EC-3: energy cannon –version. Essentially Goa’uld standard weaponry that has been upgraded.
PR-1,PR-2: Plasma Repeater – version.
(Q): Quad, four linked together
(G): Gatling type arrangement
(H): Heavy, capital ship strength

[brick24alpha]

Actual post, read the other post first please.

Spoiler:

While the Empire has proven its ability to successfully design and build space going vessels ranging from fighters to Pepys class, and even Ha’taks it recognize that it still has much to learn and sought assistance from several friendly governments in completing its next generation of warships. The assistance is not in the form of introducing radical forms of new technology, but in adapting and better utilizing the technology already available to it: primarily in the fields of computer programming and significantly increase the level of automation on the ships, but also improving the efficiencies of some systems (e.g. naquadah reactors, life support, energy cannons) and miniaturization.

The first three classes are related though serve different functions they share a common hull design and during the early stages of construction they could easily be mistaken for each other. They are the most advanced units in the HM’s Armed Forces and will likely stay that way for many years.

The Pepys class at the time of its construction with the pinnacle of British engineering skill, admittedly much of that skill came in the form of the Brit’tok’ra and to a lesser extent the Serans, but it was still the first truly British designed interstellar warship. The Pepys class also was the first class in British possession designed to incorporate several technologies, notably ablative armour, PR-1’s, and EC-2’s. While it could do many things a single member Pepys class under ordinary circumstances could not expect to defeat a Goa’uld Ha’tak, but with the fall of Sera and the probes of Abydos the threat of an incursion by the Goa’uld remains an increasingly clear and present threat and demands a clear and decisive response.

These three classes are each designed to address those needs in part by the technology that they incorporate.

Engines: While there hyperdrive systems remain similar to that on the Pepys they show small increases in efficiency there sublight engines are radically different featuring Ion Drive adapted from there Hebridian origins to the new designs.

Weapons systems: These vessels feature a third generation of Energy Cannons and second generation of Plasma Repeaters. These advances represent modest gains with slight increases in firepower and efficiency. EC-3(Q)’s are designed to be powered two different ways, the first by standard ship power systems, the second like there Goa’uld predecessor is by liquid naquadah power cells. If a ship’s defencive systems are under heavy strain the extra power makes a difference. Weapons systems are designed to be embedded into the ships, and can be swiftly transfer into combat positions when needed. Outwardly a ship bursting with weapons systems does not necessarily make a favourable first impression.

Defence Systems: These systems draw from both terrestrial and extraterrestrial inspirations. The features of these systems most familiar to the Goa’uld and the Asgard are the primary shields, but those shields are not the only means of defence for these new vessels as they also feature ablative armour based on the prototype version featured on the Pepys class. The less conventional features of the defence systems start with the secondary shield which is intended to always remain on, and in an emergency can serve as the primary shield. The purpose of the secondary shield is to protect against space debris and particles, but also unauthorized transports off the ship, and it can be modulated to allow specific types of transporters to beam onto the ship. The ships also feature an ECM/EW suite, while some of its features would not be of particular value against the Goa’uld as Death Gliders rely on visual targeting; its other features are not to be so easily dismissed. There are two other features the first is a modification of technology acquired involuntarily from the Lucian Cartel and is a holographic and energy projection system which allows the vessels to project several signatures onto other vessels or empty space or to change the vessels own appearance and signature into for example a Ha’tak. The final feature is a modified version of Goa’uld cloaking technology allowing it to work on larger vessels; the cloaking device would draw most of the vessels active power supply and would leave a ship rather exposed if detected.

Other Systems: These vessels also feature Seran/Asgard hybrid transporters and significantly enhanced sensors, and a secured data-link system to allow for drones to be safely used. They also feature one other system which while of British though took Orbanian technical expertise to execute. This system is a nanite based repair system. Nanites can be directed to repair most systems of the vessels, of course they would require a supply of raw materials which can be found either in the form of damaged vessels or components or asteroids. These nanites do not have the capacity to replicate. There was thought to use nanites to form nano- flux armour where nanites would be deployed as an active part of the hull and could go to and harden in places to absorb impacts, but that would require a larger supply of nanites and would be most effective if nanites could replenish their number.

The first of the three designs is dedicated towards combating capital ships head on. It features a heavy weapons load and thirty-two drones for exploration and defence.
Length: 325m
Width: 55m
Height: 80m
Crew: 90 (includes 17 marines)
Maximum life support capacity: 1500
Engines: upgraded Goa’uld inspired hyperdrive, Ion Drive, manoeuvring thrusters
Defence Systems: upgraded Goa’uld inspired shields (primary), ablative armour, ECM/EW System, secondary shield
Weapons: x24 EC-3(H), x6 missile tubes (120 missiles), x5 EC-3(H-G), x2 EC-3(G), x52 EC-3(Q), x84 PR-2(Q)
Other Systems: Seran/Asgard hybrid transporters, subspace communications systems, secure data-link system, nanite repair system
Craft carried: x2 shuttles, x32 drones (x6 reconnaissance, x24 combat)

The second of the designs is similar to the Pepys class in function, but with a slightly greater emphasis on its carrier role. While having a weaker weapons load then the first design it features seventy-two fighters and is designed to co-ordinate fleet actions. While originally the hanger bays were designed to have one level that was changed in order to greatly expand the carriers load.

Length: 325m
Width: 90m
Height: 80m
Crew: 208-280(includes 17 marines, dependent upon fighter complement)
Maximum life support capacity: 2500
Engines: upgraded Goa’uld inspired hyperdrive, Ion Drive, manoeuvring thrusters
Defence Systems: upgraded Goa’uld inspired shields (primary), ablative armour, ECM/EW System, secondary shield
Weapons: x16 EC-3(H), x6 missile tubes (72 missiles), x5 EC-3(G), x52 EC-3(Q), x84 PR-3 (Q)
Other Systems: Seran/Asgard hybrid transporters, subspace communications systems, secure data-link system, nanite repair system
Craft carried: x72 fighters, x4 shuttles, x54 drones (x6 reconnaissance, x48 combat)

The third class recognizes that not all combat revolves around the space, but that ground is still important. It has a dual role and can serve either as a carrier or as troop transporter as needed. It features a lighter weapons load then the other two classes due to its capacity to store large numbers of personnel and equipment. It is designed to support and transport two battalions and there equipment like its sisters it is capable of planetary entry, but the preferred means of deployment is via transporter. Due to their unique role they will not be built in large numbers, and most it is believed will be used as carriers.

Length: 325m
Width: 90m
Height: 80m
Crew: 100
Maximum Recommended Embracement: x2 mechanized infantry battalion, x1 Headquarters Company
Maximum life support capacity: 2500
Engines: upgraded Goa’uld inspired hyperdrive, Ion Drive, manoeuvring thrusters
Defence Systems: upgraded Goa’uld inspired shields (primary), ablative armour, ECM/EW System, secondary shield
Weapons: x14 EC-3(H), x3 EC-3(G), x48 EC-3(Q), x76 PR-2 (Q)
Other Systems: ring transporters, Seran/Asgard hybrid transporters, subspace communications systems, secure data-link system, nanite repair system
Craft carried: x4 shuttles, assorted vehicles or aircraft/fighters, x42 drones (x6 reconnaissance, x36 combat)

The final major combatant is slightly smaller and is designed as an escort to the larger vessels, in particular the carriers. It will be the most common of the new classes to be seen and is the only one of the new classes not to have shuttles assigned to it.

Length: 175m
Width: 65m
Height: 60m
Crew: 40
Maximum life support capacity: 600
Engines: upgraded Goa’uld inspired hyperdrive, Ion Drive, manoeuvring thrusters
Defence Systems: upgraded Goa’uld inspired shields (primary), ablative armour, ECM/EW System, secondary shield
Weapons: x12 EC-3(H), x3 EC-3(H-G), x4 EC-3(G), x34 EC-3(Q), x56 PR-2(Q)
Other Systems: Seran/Asgard hybrid transporters, subspace communications systems, secure data-link system, nanite repair system
Craft carried: x12 drones (x12 combat)

Two of the projects in this program are an evolution of something the British introduced on the Seran built and British modified HMS Foresight. The Foresight featured recoverable sensor drones which would be deployed into a system prior to the Foresight entering it. What has evolved are two new types of drones one for reconnaissance the other for combat. These new drones are almost identical in design and are autonomous in nature although they can be manually controlled from a control centre located in certain starships and facilities.

The Reconnaissance Drone features an enhanced sensor system which was completed with the assistance of the Asgard and is intended to be the first part of any British incursion into a star system. The drone will be able to transmit in real time information to its control centre providing potential crucial intelligence.

Reconnaissance Drone (mk.2)
Length: 4.25m
Width: 1.25m
Height/depth: 1.25m
Engine unit(s): Ion Drive based system
Crew: n/a
Defence System: secondary shield, ablative armour
Armament: n/a
Other: Heavy Sensors Package, ECM/EW suite, cloaking device, secure data-link with control centre

The Combat Drone is intended to operate much closer to its control centre and is designed strictly to counter light enemy craft. The Drone features four PR-1(G); with two facing forward and two facing backwards. While it does have a sensor package it is slightly less powerful then that on the reconnaissance version and lacks a cloaking device or any EW capabilities. The role of the Combat Drone is not to replace fighters but to complement them by supplementing the defences of their control centre, freeing fighters to pursue strike operations. Combat Drones can also be used to intercept enemy attacks if necessary by sacrificing themselves.

Combat Drone (mk.1)
Length: 4.25m
Width: 1.25m
Height/depth: 1.25m
Engine unit(s): Ion Drive based system
Crew: n/a
Defence System: secondary shield, ablative armour
Armament: x4 PR-2(G)
Other: Sensor Package, ECM suite, secure data-link with control centre

[QueteshRuled]

Actual post, read the other post first please.

Spoiler:

While the Empire has proven its ability to successfully design and build space going vessels ranging from fighters to Pepys class, and even Ha’taks it recognize that it still has much to learn and sought assistance from several friendly governments in completing its next generation of warships. The assistance is not in the form of introducing radical forms of new technology, but in adapting and better utilizing the technology already available to it: primarily in the fields of computer programming and significantly increase the level of automation on the ships, but also improving the efficiencies of some systems (e.g. naquadah reactors, life support, energy cannons) and miniaturization.

The first three classes are related though serve different functions they share a common hull design and during the early stages of construction they could easily be mistaken for each other. They are the most advanced units in the HM’s Armed Forces and will likely stay that way for many years.

The Pepys class at the time of its construction with the pinnacle of British engineering skill, admittedly much of that skill came in the form of the Brit’tok’ra and to a lesser extent the Serans, but it was still the first truly British designed interstellar warship. The Pepys class also was the first class in British possession designed to incorporate several technologies, notably ablative armour, PR-1’s, and EC-2’s. While it could do many things a single member Pepys class under ordinary circumstances could not expect to defeat a Goa’uld Ha’tak, but with the fall of Sera and the probes of Abydos the threat of an incursion by the Goa’uld remains an increasingly clear and present threat and demands a clear and decisive response.

These three classes are each designed to address those needs in part by the technology that they incorporate.

Engines: While there hyperdrive systems remain similar to that on the Pepys they show small increases in efficiency there sublight engines are radically different featuring Ion Drive adapted from there Hebridian origins to the new designs.

Weapons systems: These vessels feature a third generation of Energy Cannons and second generation of Plasma Repeaters. These advances represent modest gains with slight increases in firepower and efficiency. EC-3(Q)’s are designed to be powered two different ways, the first by standard ship power systems, the second like there Goa’uld predecessor is by liquid naquadah power cells. If a ship’s defencive systems are under heavy strain the extra power makes a difference. Weapons systems are designed to be embedded into the ships, and can be swiftly transfer into combat positions when needed. Outwardly a ship bursting with weapons systems does not necessarily make a favourable first impression.

Defence Systems: These systems draw from both terrestrial and extraterrestrial inspirations. The features of these systems most familiar to the Goa’uld and the Asgard are the primary shields, but those shields are not the only means of defence for these new vessels as they also feature ablative armour based on the prototype version featured on the Pepys class. The less conventional features of the defence systems start with the secondary shield which is intended to always remain on, and in an emergency can serve as the primary shield. The purpose of the secondary shield is to protect against space debris and particles, but also unauthorized transports off the ship, and it can be modulated to allow specific types of transporters to beam onto the ship. The ships also feature an ECM/EW suite, while some of its features would not be of particular value against the Goa’uld as Death Gliders rely on visual targeting; its other features are not to be so easily dismissed. There are two other features the first is a modification of technology acquired involuntarily from the Lucian Cartel and is a holographic and energy projection system which allows the vessels to project several signatures onto other vessels or empty space or to change the vessels own appearance and signature into for example a Ha’tak. The final feature is a modified version of Goa’uld cloaking technology allowing it to work on larger vessels; the cloaking device would draw most of the vessels active power supply and would leave a ship rather exposed if detected.

Other Systems: These vessels also feature Seran/Asgard hybrid transporters and significantly enhanced sensors, and a secured data-link system to allow for drones to be safely used. They also feature one other system which while of British though took Orbanian technical expertise to execute. This system is a nanite based repair system. Nanites can be directed to repair most systems of the vessels, of course they would require a supply of raw materials which can be found either in the form of damaged vessels or components or asteroids. These nanites do not have the capacity to replicate. There was thought to use nanites to form nano- flux armour where nanites would be deployed as an active part of the hull and could go to and harden in places to absorb impacts, but that would require a larger supply of nanites and would be most effective if nanites could replenish their number.

The first of the three designs is dedicated towards combating capital ships head on. It features a heavy weapons load and thirty-two drones for exploration and defence.
Length: 325m
Width: 55m
Height: 80m
Crew: 90 (includes 17 marines)
Maximum life support capacity: 1500
Engines: upgraded Goa’uld inspired hyperdrive, Ion Drive, manoeuvring thrusters
Defence Systems: upgraded Goa’uld inspired shields (primary), ablative armour, ECM/EW System, secondary shield
Weapons: x24 EC-3(H), x6 missile tubes (120 missiles), x5 EC-3(H-G), x2 EC-3(G), x52 EC-3(Q), x84 PR-2(Q)
Other Systems: Seran/Asgard hybrid transporters, subspace communications systems, secure data-link system, nanite repair system
Craft carried: x2 shuttles, x32 drones (x6 reconnaissance, x24 combat)

The second of the designs is similar to the Pepys class in function, but with a slightly greater emphasis on its carrier role. While having a weaker weapons load then the first design it features seventy-two fighters and is designed to co-ordinate fleet actions. While originally the hanger bays were designed to have one level that was changed in order to greatly expand the carriers load.

Length: 325m
Width: 90m
Height: 80m
Crew: 208-280(includes 17 marines, dependent upon fighter complement)
Maximum life support capacity: 2500
Engines: upgraded Goa’uld inspired hyperdrive, Ion Drive, manoeuvring thrusters
Defence Systems: upgraded Goa’uld inspired shields (primary), ablative armour, ECM/EW System, secondary shield
Weapons: x16 EC-3(H), x6 missile tubes (72 missiles), x5 EC-3(G), x52 EC-3(Q), x84 PR-3 (Q)
Other Systems: Seran/Asgard hybrid transporters, subspace communications systems, secure data-link system, nanite repair system
Craft carried: x72 fighters, x4 shuttles, x54 drones (x6 reconnaissance, x48 combat)

The third class recognizes that not all combat revolves around the space, but that ground is still important. It has a dual role and can serve either as a carrier or as troop transporter as needed. It features a lighter weapons load then the other two classes due to its capacity to store large numbers of personnel and equipment. It is designed to support and transport two battalions and there equipment like its sisters it is capable of planetary entry, but the preferred means of deployment is via transporter. Due to their unique role they will not be built in large numbers, and most it is believed will be used as carriers.

Length: 325m
Width: 90m
Height: 80m
Crew: 100
Maximum Recommended Embracement: x2 mechanized infantry battalion, x1 Headquarters Company
Maximum life support capacity: 2500
Engines: upgraded Goa’uld inspired hyperdrive, Ion Drive, manoeuvring thrusters
Defence Systems: upgraded Goa’uld inspired shields (primary), ablative armour, ECM/EW System, secondary shield
Weapons: x14 EC-3(H), x3 EC-3(G), x48 EC-3(Q), x76 PR-2 (Q)
Other Systems: ring transporters, Seran/Asgard hybrid transporters, subspace communications systems, secure data-link system, nanite repair system
Craft carried: x4 shuttles, assorted vehicles or aircraft/fighters, x42 drones (x6 reconnaissance, x36 combat)

The final major combatant is slightly smaller and is designed as an escort to the larger vessels, in particular the carriers. It will be the most common of the new classes to be seen and is the only one of the new classes not to have shuttles assigned to it.

Length: 175m
Width: 65m
Height: 60m
Crew: 40
Maximum life support capacity: 600
Engines: upgraded Goa’uld inspired hyperdrive, Ion Drive, manoeuvring thrusters
Defence Systems: upgraded Goa’uld inspired shields (primary), ablative armour, ECM/EW System, secondary shield
Weapons: x12 EC-3(H), x3 EC-3(H-G), x4 EC-3(G), x34 EC-3(Q), x56 PR-2(Q)
Other Systems: Seran/Asgard hybrid transporters, subspace communications systems, secure data-link system, nanite repair system
Craft carried: x12 drones (x12 combat)

Two of the projects in this program are an evolution of something the British introduced on the Seran built and British modified HMS Foresight. The Foresight featured recoverable sensor drones which would be deployed into a system prior to the Foresight entering it. What has evolved are two new types of drones one for reconnaissance the other for combat. These new drones are almost identical in design and are autonomous in nature although they can be manually controlled from a control centre located in certain starships and facilities.

The Reconnaissance Drone features an enhanced sensor system which was completed with the assistance of the Asgard and is intended to be the first part of any British incursion into a star system. The drone will be able to transmit in real time information to its control centre providing potential crucial intelligence.

Reconnaissance Drone (mk.2)
Length: 4.25m
Width: 1.25m
Height/depth: 1.25m
Engine unit(s): Ion Drive based system
Crew: n/a
Defence System: secondary shield, ablative armour
Armament: n/a
Other: Heavy Sensors Package, ECM/EW suite, cloaking device, secure data-link with control centre

The Combat Drone is intended to operate much closer to its control centre and is designed strictly to counter light enemy craft. The Drone features four PR-1(G); with two facing forward and two facing backwards. While it does have a sensor package it is slightly less powerful then that on the reconnaissance version and lacks a cloaking device or any EW capabilities. The role of the Combat Drone is not to replace fighters but to complement them by supplementing the defences of their control centre, freeing fighters to pursue strike operations. Combat Drones can also be used to intercept enemy attacks if necessary by sacrificing themselves.

Combat Drone (mk.1)
Length: 4.25m
Width: 1.25m
Height/depth: 1.25m
Engine unit(s): Ion Drive based system
Crew: n/a
Defence System: secondary shield, ablative armour
Armament: x4 PR-2(G)
Other: Sensor Package, ECM suite, secure data-link with control centre

interesting timeline, i like it. the designs are also interesting. i can see how it would be useful. i like the combat drone especially

[brick24alpha]

Would it still be reasonable to expand the number of battalions from two to three or four for the third class? I am asking because RL Wasp class vessels for example would be of smaller size and have notably larger numbers of people. Would the note in the description that it also has the vehicles for the battalions preclude more people inboard? Obviously this would mean a increase in the life support rating, but that should not be a issue

The third class recognizes that not all combat revolves around the space, but that ground is still important. It has a dual role and can serve either as a carrier or as troop transporter as needed. It features a lighter weapons load then the other two classes due to its capacity to store large numbers of personnel and equipment. It is designed to support and transport two battalions and there equipment like its sisters it is capable of planetary entry, but the preferred means of deployment is via transporter. Due to their unique role they will not be built in large numbers, and most it is believed will be used as carriers.

Length: 325m
Width: 90m
Height: 80m
Crew: 100
Maximum Recommended Embarkment: x2 mechanized infantry battalion, x1 Headquarters Company
Maximum life support capacity: 2500
Engines: upgraded Goa’uld inspired hyperdrive, Ion Drive, manoeuvring thrusters
Defence Systems: upgraded Goa’uld inspired shields (primary), ablative armour, ECM/EW System, secondary shield
Weapons: x14 EC-3(H), x3 EC-3(G), x48 EC-3(Q), x76 PR-2 (Q)
Other Systems: ring transporters, Seran/Asgard hybrid transporters, subspace communications systems, secure data-link system, nanite repair system
Craft carried: x4 shuttles, assorted vehicles or aircraft/fighters, x42 drones (x6 reconnaissance, x36 combat)

[Cmdr. Setsuna F. Seyei]

this thread was made for the intention of getting people to model thier designs not just for specs.

If you would like to try to do some modeling i would suggest google sketchup as a good base program and its free

[Pharaoh Hamenthotep]

This thread has always had more specs than models..

[QueteshRuled]

true... ill get started but i might need a while because i have stuff going on right now...