Return of the Ancients

[Cmdr Sean Coll]

Hi Aer`ki, if you looking for another cityship or ships to use there is the buried one on the tower planet. And there is also the wrecked cityship used by the Asuran faction loyal to Naim on an ocean world. Probably the world the expidition orginally chosen to land atlantis on cause of the Asuran satillite weapon attack.
These two lantean configured cityships could be rebuilt to match Atlantis in all respects. aka weaponary and alike. It might take awhile to rebuild them but could prove useful.

These craft could be used as secured bases to do some secret Alterra projects.

Hope this has given you some idea`s.

[Cmdr Sean Coll]

Also there is another Aurora class ship in pegasus. The one used but the Ausran faction that Dr weir lead for a while.
This is an untapped resource for the new Lanteans of Pegasus.
Hope this informatiom is helpful to you Aer`Ki.

Also is the USA going to take back the stargate that the IOA stole from them?? And are they going to seize the russian 304 and take it back??

[StargateWatcher]

question Aer-ki: were the Rivera corporeal beings before? and what did they look like if u don't mind telling us?

[bradly08]

question Aer-ki: were the Rivera corporeal beings before? and what did they look like if u don't mind telling us?

I think rivera are more of a collection of beings than a specific species. It was stated somewhere that its is made up of half "ascended" and half are those who are from the "ascended" plane.

[TK99]

You know Aer-ki I have been thinking about two things in fic for a while.

The first is the concept of the Matuira and other Alterran cultural concepts. Also the schism that lead to the break with the Orii.

Then it hit me.

First, the schism is like that of nBSG colonies and the Cyclons. One devoutly religious and the other devoutly secular. The Alterra hate the Orii for their Civil War and there exile. The Orii hate the Alterra for fleeing in what was probably their time of need and when unity was what their race needed.

The next part is cultural aspects of the Alterra never made sense like the Maturia or their government style but then it hit me. The Alterra lived in a refugee fleet for 10,000's of years until the reached Avolona. Their entire cultural is based on life in the days of their own rag tag fleet. That is why they no longer have the concept of family units or pair bonding. The same goes for the concept of servant races subordinate to the over class.

Another thing are we gonna see the Furlings soon?

I read your description and they do seem like what I suspected. Demons but in Japanese mythology, where they could be good or bad. Also that they looked like demons or at least the draenei in WoW.

Finally one other thing, something that I also only recently realized. The Goa'uld are parasites right? Everything they have they stole form others and they have used other races as hosts other than humans. So where did they get their Egyptian them ascetic from? Is there an uber powerful race out there with Egyptian style tech too?

[Aer'ki]

The Asuran ship is unaccounted for, yes, but if it was available wouldn't repli-Weir have told Atlantis where to go get it?

The USA isn't going to try and retake the stargate since it was their President that gave it away. It's not like another nation stole it.

The Rivera are half beings the originated in Alfleheym and half ascended beings from many different species. The name comes from the native species and they act as the backbone of the group.

Maturia concept is simply the most efficient means of training their young ones. Parental structures rely on the expertise(lack thereof) of the parents to instruct their children. With the Maturia, the children get access to specialists in ever catagory and no one is left behind, meaning current day trends where children suffer from bad or negligent parents. You don't get to choose where you're born, or through whom, so to the Alterra that part shouldn't matter...especially when they can 'grow' children without natural birth. Same with cloning.

You're wrong about the lack of family units...the Alterra have simply extended the family unit to include everyone. All Alterra are of the same family, so to speak. Everyone is a brother and sister...it's the concept of parents that they've done away with.


Furlings?...probably not till season 3. Sorry.

Goa'uld are parasites, but that doesn't mean they didn't add a little of their own. They have scientists, Neurse for one(bad spelling, sorry). Also, it was said that the design asthetic was taken from the cultures of Ancient Egypt before the Goa'uld arrived and that they impersonated their gods. I think that's where the pyramid motif came in, even if the natives didn't build the big pyramids before the Goa'uld came. At least that's the impression I got from the original movie.

[g.o.d]

The last chapter was amazing. I'm happy to see the race I wanted to see to be back. At least one of them is alive. Are there other Ori with the Rivera?

I like episode about Stevenson and the ascended beings more than episodes about Earth and the Aschen.

[NIMBUS]

I like episode about Stevenson and the ascended beings more than episodes about Earth and the Aschen.

of course you do. you and everyone else experiences human related stuff everyday, and sees it on 80% of tv shows and books, there hasn't been anything new in truly realistic fiction for thousands of years... the most exciting stuff is the most unnatural(from our POV), the further we get from anything normal the better it gets *thumbs-up*
conclusion - csi is boring, who cares how someone kicked it

[Cmdr Sean Coll]

Hi Aer`Ki i`ve re-watched the season 5 episode "Ghost in the Machine". The only mention of the Ausran built Aurora that the Naim faction was using was that they landed on a planet to start there work on how to Ascend. And the fate of the ship is undetermined. Also it was not metioned or seen in the rest of season 5. So it must still be sitting on the planet the Niam Faction left it on. And i read the transcript of the episode and they never asked at the time Dr Weir in Fran body about the ship.

That ship and its fate is a plothole for season 5 + an untaped resource. You can address it if you want in your great fic series.

[Nergal]

Hi Aer-ki, a quick question, how far away is Destra located? and is there any connection between the Rivera and the men Merlin had evolved and sent to another part of the universe?

[NIMBUS]

and is there any connection between the Rivera and the men Merlin had evolved and sent to another part of the universe?

whatever there might be, i don't think that it would be appropriate to call that 'whatever' a connection... remember that they were turned less than 1000 years ago and i doubt they were tasked to ascend immediately... they may have had a chat with an ascended being or two if they don't have restrictions over there but that's about it in my opinion.

btw can someone explain to this retard(me), why the ori hate(hated) the alterra so much? i mean, i don't HAVE to know it (it's irrelevant specially now that the ori have been cancelled out), just for discussions and curiosities sake...

[Aer'ki]

Hi Aer-ki, a quick question, how far away is Destra located? and is there any connection between the Rivera and the men Merlin had evolved and sent to another part of the universe?

Destra is approximately 100 million light years away(7 years with Ancient hyperdrives), and is known in real life as NGC 3312. There's a nice map that shows the positions of the galaxies and how far apart they are. Use the zoom function.

http://www.atlasoftheuniverse.com/galaxy.html

Rivera and the Knights of the Round table are in galaxies far apart from each other, so no connection there.

[ussrelativity]

The scope is vast.

It goes to show how far the Alterrans got out and the directions they went.

[Alpha Omega Protocol]

Destra is approximately 100 million light years away(7 years with Ancient hyperdrives), and is known in real life as NGC 3312. There's a nice map that shows the positions of the galaxies and how far apart they are. Use the zoom function.

http://www.atlasoftheuniverse.com/galaxy.html

Rivera and the Knights of the Round table are in galaxies far apart from each other, so no connection there.

Why is it such a long time?

If the Daedulas can travel 3 million light years to Pegasus in two weeks, and Destra is just 100 million then I calculate it would take Daedulas 67weeks to travel there. 2weeks-3 million light years 67weeks-100million light years.

Unless the Hyperdrive you stated is an ancient Ancient hyperdrive.

[Aer'ki]

Why is it such a long time?

If the Daedulas can travel 3 million light years to Pegasus in two weeks, and Destra is just 100 million then I calculate it would take Daedulas 67weeks to travel there. 2weeks-3 million light years 67weeks-100million light years.

Unless the Hyperdrive you stated is an ancient Ancient hyperdrive.

Pegasus isn't 3 million LYs away. I know they stated that in the show, but the visuals of both Milky Way and Pegasus in the same shot indicate a much closer distance. Best guess makes Pegasus the Small Magellanic Cloud, which is just about 100,000LYs away(and is listed as a Dwarf Galaxy).

"Pegasus" is the Ancient name, not the Earth Name. The Antarctic outpost wouldn't have listed the Earth name. Also, if you look at the location of Earth's Pegasus, there are many galaxies inbetween it and the Milky Way, meaning it can't be the same one.

Now, 100 million divided by seven is 14.2 million per year. 14.2 divided by 365 is 39,100 LY in a day. Milky Way is approximately 100,000 LY wide, so two and a half days tip to tip. That sounds reasonable for Alterran hyperdrives. Much faster and there wouldn't be much need for regional supergates.

Distance from Earth to Pegasus is 100,000 to 120,000 LYs, (120 from Earth, 100 from edge of galaxy). Using 120,000, that's three days. ZPM upgraded Daedalus took 4 days.

Also consider, a seven year journey wouldn't be at max speed. It would burn out the drive. So consider 39,100 LY as 'cruising speed.'