'The Daedalus Variations' (504) General Discussion

[morjana]

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[jelgate]

Shortly after the AU John Sheppard scene i thought it would have been funnier if it wasnt John Sheppard in the 302 but rather Lieutenant Colonel Rodney McKay There is something funny to me when thinking about a militarised McKay.

A person with McKay's ego would never make Lt. Col. IMO.

[Ruffles]

actually she has plenty of character faults being judgmental, self-righteous, and emotionally driven.
I honestly find it to be the most unattractive qualities a person can have. so she is far from perfect (like Sam )
but the truth is I think the writers are sort of lost with this character so they're trying to expand her skill set.
Sheppard should have been the one helping McKay out with the ship systems on this episode but that would have left Ronon and Teyla with nothing to do.
I mean the guy can commandeer an Aurora adapt a damaged communication array and fix a short-circuit in the control chair but he can't handle the systems of an Earth ship? I smell INCONSISTENCY

seriously Sheppard was totally off on this one

I completely agree with the bolded statement. Teyla lost her uniqueness when Ronon joined the team. Other than being the token girl, she hasn't had much to do since S1. I've been hoping the writers would find a path for her, and I'm thrilled with the one they've chosen. However this isn't the first time we've seen tech!Teyla. She could read the schematics on Rodney's computer in Phantoms. She understood what Rodney was trying to accomplish in Tabula Rasa even if she didn't know how to do it. She was a whiz with the Atlantis database in Quarantine. It's been a slow build, but they've brought her technical skills to the point they are useful in an emergency situation.

And I ask myself - what was she doing during the weeks/months between Spoils of War and The Kindred. She wasn't going on missions. She had tons of time on her hands. Teyla would have kept herself occupied in a way that would be of the most benefit. You can't fight the Wraith with bantos rods, but you can with superior technology.

The baby has to have an active story sometime in the season. BTW, did you like how they are making Teyla and Ronon smarter and not just these two warriors from alien planets? I liked that touch in the episode.

Smarter? Are you sure that's what you mean? I consider myself a fairly intelligent individual, but I certainly can't operate a submarine or a plane. They've always been smart - Teyla led her people and Ronon survived on his own for seven years - but now they are more technically proficient.

As for Ronon banging on the keys - I thought it was hilarious, but I didn't think it made him look foolish. He'd been trying to fire that gun for some time (finally - a weapon he isn't proficient with!) with no success. I can't count the number of times I've been frustrated with my computer (which I've been trained on) and pounded the keyboard.

Dealing with adults and dealing with your own child are usually two different things. I think McKay would be able to distinguish between the two just fine.

I agree. I think McKay would make a great dad. He has a good support system, good role models in Jeannie and Teyla, and a soft heart under all that bluster. Take a look at his face when Teyla hands Torren to him. Mush ball.

[The.Road.Not.Taken]

great episode. Loved it. It was all so classic with it being on the daedelus however it was so new because of the characters adapting to the new worlds and the random alien and trying to use different things on the daedalus to help them survive

[morjana]

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[GateofDOOM]

Huh. I actually enjoyed this episode.

Nothing really meaty, but a good fun episode.

[Mitchell82]

I completely agree with the bolded statement. Teyla lost her uniqueness when Ronon joined the team. Other than being the token girl, she hasn't had much to do since S1. I've been hoping the writers would find a path for her, and I'm thrilled with the one they've chosen. However this isn't the first time we've seen tech!Teyla. She could read the schematics on Rodney's computer in Phantoms. She understood what Rodney was trying to accomplish in Tabula Rasa even if she didn't know how to do it. She was a whiz with the Atlantis database in Quarantine. It's been a slow build, but they've brought her technical skills to the point they are useful in an emergency situation.

I have to disagree that she lost her usefullness after season one. I agree that she wasn't that technical in season 2 but that doesn't mean she was a wasted character IMO. She still had many skills both with other races and her combat and strategic skills.

And I ask myself - what was she doing during the weeks/months between Spoils of War and The Kindred. She wasn't going on missions. She had tons of time on her hands. Teyla would have kept herself occupied in a way that would be of the most benefit. You can't fight the Wraith with bantos rods, but you can with superior technology.

It's not fair to fault the writers or producers for her absence. Rachel was busy with her child and having her suddenly show up with new technology would make no sense as they wouldn't let a pregant woman (Teyla)go offworld without an escort.

Smarter? Are you sure that's what you mean? I consider myself a fairly intelligent individual, but I certainly can't operate a submarine or a plane. They've always been smart - Teyla led her people and Ronon survived on his own for seven years - but now they are more technically proficient.

She wasn't she was simply checking ship logs and the rest Rodney was walking her through.

As for Ronon banging on the keys - I thought it was hilarious, but I didn't think it made him look foolish. He'd been trying to fire that gun for some time (finally - a weapon he isn't proficient with!) with no success. I can't count the number of times I've been frustrated with my computer (which I've been trained on) and pounded the keyboard.

Agreed I don't see an issue with that scene.

[Ruffles]

I have to disagree that she lost her usefullness after season one. I agree that she wasn't that technical in season 2 but that doesn't mean she was a wasted character IMO. She still had many skills both with other races and her combat and strategic skills.

You misunderstand. I didn't say she wasn't useful. I said she wasn't unique. In S1, she was the expert on Pegasus helping the team make allies, etc. With the introduction of Ronon and contact with Earth established, she was no longer the unique Pegasus expert and her knowledge of trade with other worlds was not used.

It's not fair to fault the writers or producers for her absence. Rachel was busy with her child and having her suddenly show up with new technology would make no sense as they wouldn't let a pregant woman (Teyla)go offworld without an escort.

Again, you misunderstand. I wasn't faulting anyone with her absence. I was saying that Teyla wouldn't just sit back and relax while she was no longer going on missions. She would take that time to learn - have Radek teach her or (obviously) Major Marks.

She wasn't she was simply checking ship logs and the rest Rodney was walking her through.

This is wrong. Rewatch the scene in the engine room. When Rodney was working on the crystal array and sparks started flying, Teyla immediately went to a console and cut the power without Rodney's help or instruction. He looked stunned that she knew what to do.

[Mitchell82]

You misunderstand. I didn't say she wasn't useful. I said she wasn't unique. In S1, she was the expert on Pegasus helping the team make allies, etc. With the introduction of Ronon and contact with Earth established, she was no longer the unique Pegasus expert and her knowledge of trade with other worlds was not used.

Hmm I see your point but I don't think it was a bad thing as it helped develop Ronon too.

Again, you misunderstand. I wasn't faulting anyone with her absence. I was saying that Teyla wouldn't just sit back and relax while she was no longer going on missions. She would take that time to learn - have Radek teach her or (obviously) Major Marks.

Ooops. Now I feel bad. Too used to defending her I mistook your post.

Spoiler:

This is wrong. Rewatch the scene in the engine room. When Rodney was working on the crystal array and sparks started flying, Teyla immediately went to a console and cut the power without Rodney's help or instruction. He looked stunned that she knew what to do.

Oops wrong again.*must take another dose of smart pills.*

[jckfan55]

Teyla's efficiency with the equipement. She must have been studying a lot, but I've never thought that her skills were very useful, so this is good.
(re: her being judgemental and self-righteous. I've never found her so - more boringly well balanced. I'd kind of like to see her throw a hissy fit.

I agree with the above.

We have seen Teyla gradually using more tech--being talked through stuff by and observing Rodney for example before this ep & the Marks reference. But you know what would have been nice? if the writers knew they were going to add to this "skill set" for her? When someone goes to find her in some of the episodes, instead of finding her sparring or working out, have her in her room studying the computer stuff. It would have been more "show" rather than "tell" on this skill.

And I don't find her judgmental or self righteous. I find the Atlantis people more judgmental and self righteous than Teyla. As for the hissy fit--good idea As much as I'd love to see her smack Rodney, I don't think she'd do it. But we could see her go off to her room and just let loose after dealing with him at his most annoying.

[nsb2008]

I really enjoyed this episode, and will wholeheartedly agree that those new baddies where ace.... they reminded me of the Borg from Star Trek lore. If continuity flows from this episode, I would hope to see them in the future... If they appear in that reality where they shot McKay, then I wonder if they'll show up in the forthcoming episodes... maybe in the season finale?

I'm enjoying the season so far... kinda warming to the idea of Woolsey as an addition to the cast - but I remain loyal to Carter and Dr. Weir...

[Ikaros]

It gave me the false impression that it was shorter than other episodes.When this happens it's usually because i want more ;/.
Because it was a good episode, it had it all in a way. Space Battles!!, new and cool alliens!!,the Team back together,suspence, humor.. what else do we want? Plus the fact that our favourite chars are getting more interesting , they're getting taugher(Mckay), wiser(Sheppard), smarter(Teyla) and ... funnier(Ronon)

[Ikaros]

I am bad with english and i am too sleepy to try systran now ;(
It would be perfect to have woolsey givving the orders and Jennifer looking after Mckay at the end , just to see her again . Well we have lots of episodes ahead .

[nsb2008]

I hope so! I hope Atlantis goes to at least the same length run as SG1....
There's definitely scope for it.... I think, anyway...

[Saquist]

I would have to agree with that. He is a superb actor. It doesn't hurt a bit that the writing on SG-1 allowed his character to grow and change, either...

Indeed...
His character's design was given an antagonist role on the show. Likely this will still be exploited.

Oh, I'm not hoping for a "Baby Torren gets stuck in an exploding lab" (which would be way too cliche) or "Michael comes back to run experiments" situation at all - although it would be fun to see Teyla strap Michael to a table and get this close to torturing him before someone came and pulled her back from the edge. I just don't want the existence of the kid to be completely forgotten. Although if they hadn't already done "Tabula Rasa," I would love an episode where Teyla forgot she had a son. That could be fantastically creepy.

You are certainly correct there are intresting ways to cultivate the story with the child involved. However my intrest lies with Kannan. I would like to know more about him...and perhaps through him the child as well.