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    #31
    You are a work of art, in a good way. With out you this place would be a boring. All I ask is to hold back every now an then cause responding to huge posts can be a drag.

    Originally posted by FallenAngelII View Post
    Apparently Paul Mullie wrote this episode. No offense to Paul Mullie, but that explains a few things (he was also responsible for Suckfests "The Tower" and "Irresponsible".
    I actually liked "The Tower" It was the first Atlantis Episode that I watched and it got me hocked on the Series. So this is more opinion than anything. It's a good normal Stargate episode, go through the gate-get in trouble- get out of it-and go home.

    I just knew I was in for a piece of (crappy) work when the episode starts with Rodney taking a shot at John volunteering to go on a boring mission because the indigenous people (and I quote) "had little to no social inhibitions" to which John responds that they were "very friendly". Oh yes, PTB, very mature.
    That is just a awesome display of Mckay Vs Shepperd. There was nothing out of Character about it. Not liking something about a character is one thing but turning a "Negative" trait into bad writing is grossly inaccurate.

    And then, he gets taken captive and who should pop up as the leader of said captors? While all of the male captors are clad in brown possible mocha leather, she lone female (who, in according to Stargate practice is "hot") is clad in black leather... with deep cleavage. Yes, let's not just make the alien hot, but because she's got big breasts, she must have a deep cleavage.
    have you ever watched none trek Sci-fi? That was expected and it will always be in every show. From Female System Lords to Vala to Larrin to anything else. It is nothing new. And what if she likes to Show off her cleavage? WHat if that's a commander's standard Garment? We know nothing about these people.

    What's next, I thought? The obvious answer (and what I immediately assumed upon seeing her) was lots of 'UST' and sexual innuendo. It starts out pretty innocently with "Be a shame to have to do too much damage"
    Just some foreshadowing of said material. Nothing bad, kind off funny considering the character's personality.
    - Not bad, but you just knew it'd go downhill from there (like the line about "not shooting too fast" and how "that was probably not John's first time hearing that from a woman").
    I found that Funny.
    And the sexual innuendo aren't even said in a "humurous" way a la Vala where there's a twinkle in her eye and her flirting doesn't actually lead anywhere.
    Pure opinion, and nothing wrong with your opinion, I just don't share it.
    Highly Speculative (and possibly wrong: Then Joe Flanigan himself gave us a very shameful moment.
    The Actor may off looked, but that does not mean that He was supposed to look. One of the Forum rules is to Leave the Actors alone.

    What was said moment? I believe it was The Jamie Kennedy Experiment that once featured an experiment where a woman wore a baggy shirt and went out with a fake petition, trying to get random men on the street to stop and talk to her. Almost no one did. But once she switched into one with a big cleavage, they did. And they kept staring down at it, exposing themselves to the hidden camera in her broach or whatever. Note that this is speculation, however.

    Interesting experiment. They should have had better controlled situations. I'd hardly call it scientific. And it has nothing to do with the Episode.

    Maybe he did find said chalice very interesting. Or maybe the writers called for the character of John Sheppard to ogle her boobs.
    Reread my comment on the actor.

    So what did Joe Flanigan do? At 06:43, his gaze inexplicably drifts from her eye-level down to her chest-level and then quickly back up again. Either he suddenly found the chalice she was holding extremely interesting in the middle of her speech or he just wanted to "sneak a peek".
    Or like I do when talking to Guys or gals He just took an Eye brake and looked down. Note that I, A straight man, also mentioned Guys. It's a perfect human action during a conversation.
    However, as the Jamie Kennedy Experiment proved, it's a very heterosexual male thing to do, what with breast being indoctrined as one of the most important parts of a woman's body and all, so we can't completely blame him.
    Once again, leave the Actor out of this. and reread what is writen above.
    This was followed by Laryn saying "There's all kinds of useful things you could do for me" followed by "goofy music". And since we know the bar's set pretty low, of course it's a double entendre.
    once again, funny. Pure opinion.
    And then I won't bore you, or myself, with the details because I'm currently too mad at the writers to view the entire episode again, but was anyone surprised they'd eventually be locked up in "close quarters" together. It's one of the ultimate clichés, The UST in the Closet-moment.
    Did anyone noticed that it was their best chance to survive and Both of them hated it? It was once again funny.
    And then she was fed on. Of course, we all assumed she'd die and we'd finally get rid of the immature theme, but nooooooo. The moment the Wraith said he hadn't completely killed her (at first I was so glad, I was elated), we all knew the Gift of Life was coming (and what a sucky episode to reintroduce something so great in, much like how Kolya appeared briefly in Irresponsible only to die at the end of it).
    Opinion, and do you really think that the Good Guy would just let her die?
    Then he bent down to "help her get up" and what the Hell was the man doing?! Who the Hell helps someone get up from the floor by putting one arm around their waist?!
    My Mom did when I fell of my bike while learning how to ride, does that mean she is a disgusting freak? Pure opinion based on a dirty mind, sorry.
    You do it by taking her hand(s) and pulling them up! That was soooo copping a feel.
    But how to you keep them from falling back down?
    This was, of course followed by a "his face close to hers" moment (complete with heavy breathing), followed by her stumbling and even more close-face-time (as cliché dictates).
    No, as TV dictates

    And then they kissed. We all knew it was gonna happen. By the way, see my companion thread, "Why Colonel Space Slut Should Not Be In Command", for my reaction on this.
    Jack, Daniel, Carter, Teal'c have done this...Oh my Stargate's a porn show!!

    I really thought the writers, producers and everyone involved in this show would have learned by now.
    Learned what? That people can kiss on TV?

    For those who don't know, which three episodes do you think got voted in as Worst Episodes in Stargate Atlantis History for seasons 1-2? Yes, that's right, Sanctuary (John x Chaya), The Tower (John x Space Slut Bimbo Princess Whose Name I Can Never Remember) and Epiphany (John x Delusional Teer). And which two episodes were the by far most hated episodes of season three (if not Stargate history)? That's right, Irresistible (by far more hated) followed by Irresponsible.
    Or it could be that the small portion of Fan dome that is Gateworld of who decided to vote didn't like these episodes as much as others.
    "Goofy" and "Funny" little episodes based on double entendres, sexual tension and general immatureness are not popular among Stargate fans. Maybe they assumed the fans here on Gateworld are just part of some snooty little "No Immature Boy Humour"-club, but really?
    Actualy...Statistics on a Fanwebsite aren't that accurate when it comes to the big picture.

    Of course, John didn't tell Rodney the entire story (good job at lying, man!), but Rodney knew right away and had to point it out. At least we didn't hear the word "Kirk".
    once again, Rodney VS Mckay
    Please tell me I'm not going insane. Please tell me that you straight guys didn't find the episode really, really entertaining and well written.
    It wasn't the best out there. I found it slitly funny and it got rid of 1 hour. I rate this as average.
    As a gay man who has absolutely no sexual interest in the episode, I found it insulting
    Well, some women didn't
    Not just to women (by how they're treated as sexual objects on Stargate) and to John
    You mean on TV. TV.TV.TV That's why its not good to watch too much TV. It is bad to get into TV too much maybe even sinful.
    (by how detrimental this episode was to his character) but to us viewers as well, that they'd resort to this adolescent boy-girl-sex-humour!
    Perhaps they were targeting an Adolescent Audience?
    This episode will be one of the Big Six (Major Suckfests of Stargate Atlantis), Atlantis-episodes which I probably won't watch more than once.
    I won't say that this made my "rewatch" list but it wasn't bad. And once agian this is a matter of opinion
    [i]Omigod, omigod you guys[i]. I'm, like, gonna cry. I've got tears coming out of my nose. This is like Titanic, only no one dies.
    What????
    [An alarm is sounding. Harriman checks his watch as he and Siler stand, facing Ba'al's hologram.]
    HARRIMAN
    I'm sure he'll be here any second now.
    [Ba'al is obviously impatient.]
    HARRIMAN
    So, um…

    Take our ships, take our toys, take our awesome alien tech... I don't care, I'm still free, you can't take Stargate from me!

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      #32
      Hi

      I just posted in the 'general discussion' thread something I hardly ever do. However the huge suckiness of this episode compelled me to tell the writers just how crap they were. I agree with everything you've written here and will definitely stop watching the show if it carries on like this, it was painful and awful to watch.

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        #33
        Originally posted by Ebinia View Post
        Hi

        I just posted in the 'general discussion' thread something I hardly ever do. However the huge suckiness of this episode compelled me to tell the writers just how crap they were. I agree with everything you've written here and will definitely stop watching the show if it carries on like this, it was painful and awful to watch.

        Ebinia

        Ditto.!!!!!!!!!!!


        and I will add that "in my opinion" it was just embarrasing for the writers. They can and have done better.
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          #34
          Originally posted by FallenAngelII View Post
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          And then she was fed on. Of course, we all assumed she'd die and we'd finally get rid of the immature theme, but nooooooo. The moment the Wraith said he hadn't completely killed her (at first I was so glad, I was elated), we all knew the Gift of Life was coming (and what a sucky episode to reintroduce something so great in, much like how Kolya appeared briefly in Irresponsible only to die at the end of it). Then he bent down to "help her get up" and what the Hell was the man doing?! Who the Hell helps someone get up from the floor by putting one arm around their waist?! You do it by taking her hand(s) and pulling them up! That was soooo copping a feel.

          [/i].
          HAHA - I wanted her to die also, lol.

          I agree with everything you said in your post.

          I didn't hate this episode but still it did annoy me with all the sexual cheesy one liners and innuendos. One of the biggest reasons I love Stargate is because they didn't do this at the start.

          Why is it that if the leader is a woman, she has to be booby pushing and all sexual in getting what she wants. As a straight woman I am fed up with seeing this on TV and in films! UGH, Stargate is better than this! It is intelligent TV that does not have to stoop to such levels.

          I didn't like how JOhn is being turned into a stupid fool and a slut. I really like Sheppard but no-one or I don't like sluts. I am loosing all respect for Sheppard.

          Sheppard is not so stupid as to be fooled by her kiss at the end. He is special ops trained for goodness sake. And when she kept punching him, did he not know how to block a punch?

          Ugh, poor writing, I could have done better in my sleep.

          "Don't shoot too fast. I bet that isn't the first time a woman has said that to you." Classy, so classy.
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            #35
            Originally posted by Maltrancko View Post
            For all things sacred Fallen, give it a rest, you have posted enough whiny threads to last a lifetime

            your points are annoying and simply the over the top political correctness of the post-feminism...

            women have cleavage - straight men like cleavage - straight men watching = ratings

            besides it's a show made to entertain - so just watch it or not.. end of story...
            Post feminism? It has nothing to do with feminism. It's about basic human respect.

            women have brains - people like intelligent TV - intelligent Tv breeds intelligent people = Less dumb bums roaming the streets.

            Also, is there not enough dumb Tv out there for THE red blooded males to watch that we 'PC' people who want intelligence over candy and puke can not simply be given ONE TV show without cheese?

            Fallen - you keep posting - I liked you post!
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              #36
              Not to mention that kids are impressionable (read: stupid). Yes, kids are (kinda) stupid. They have problems differentiating between whatäs right and wrong, what's real and not and what's black and white or something.

              If they're constantly bombarded with the message that unless you're sexy, scantily clad, thin and young, you're not good enough (if you're a woman), then the girls will want to be that kind of girls, despite what they themselves might want as being that kind of girl will get them "respect".

              If shows keep bombarding the kids with messages like "Girls are sluts, but guys are players" and that the female body is something to be exploited, if it really any surprise that so many rapes occur yearly that's actually just the guy being dumwitted and not realizing that "No means no" or guys beating their girlfriends or treating them like dirt?

              Because heterosexual men like it when they see heterosexual men get the little slutty girls and be the hero and be all manly. Meanwile, this will teach the next generation that "unmanly" guys are to be ridiculed and beaten up and that girls are just sluts waiting to be picked.



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                #37
                why not just post this in the anti thread

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                  #38
                  Originally posted by Niteshadow View Post
                  why not just post this in the anti thread
                  Because I'm not anti season 4. I'm anti-this-particular-episode.



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                    #39
                    Originally posted by Prior_of_the_Ori View Post
                    Personally, I quite liked the episode and don't see what the problem is about but meh.
                    it only lost me in the middle but overall i did like the episode too.

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                      #40
                      Originally posted by Maltrancko View Post
                      For all things sacred Fallen, give it a rest, you have posted enough whiny threads to last a lifetime

                      your points are annoying and simply the over the top political correctness of the post-feminism...

                      women have cleavage - straight men like cleavage - straight men watching = ratings

                      besides it's a show made to entertain - so just watch it or not.. end of story...
                      I agree with some of Fallen's points (not about the cleavage and some other stuff though). but you're right there are way too many threads about this
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                        #41
                        now if it was a male that was beating on Sheppard the whole episode would you like it more???

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                          #42
                          Originally posted by Niteshadow View Post
                          now if it was a male that was beating on Sheppard the whole episode would you like it more???
                          might be possible...dunno
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                            #43
                            Originally posted by sweetsamurai View Post
                            HAHA - I wanted her to die also, lol.
                            Why is it that if the leader is a woman, she has to be booby pushing and all sexual in getting what she wants. As a straight woman I am fed up with seeing this on TV and in films! UGH, Stargate is better than this! It is intelligent TV that does not have to stoop to such levels.
                            I know I'm bringing my own agenda to the table here but if this really is how the show runners think women in charge should be portrayed then I guess it explains why they got rid of Weir. How long will it be before Carter starts showing more cleavage?
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                              #44
                              Originally posted by Niteshadow View Post
                              now if it was a male that was beating on Sheppard the whole episode would you like it more???
                              Not once did I complain about the fact that Larrin beat Sheppard to a bloody pulp. I am not an avid lover of whumping nor do I really mind as long as it's got a logical context.

                              It's the sexual crap I'm complaining over.



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                                #45
                                Well I rather enjoyed it, not because I saw/enjoyed any sexual tension, but rather because it made fun of Sheppard's Kirk like status. The episode started off by reminding us of this with his trip to planet funtime. Very Sheppard like. Then after being taunted by Lirren's little remarks (which was clearly just a tactic on her part - they were playing good cop, bad cop so it was perfectly logical for her to say those things) he finds himself being kissed by her and dives right in, unaware that she isn't really in love with him after he just saved her life twice. I was rather bemused by that.

                                As far as comments like Telya acting like that, of course that would be a bad thing as she is a completely different person and as such it would be massively out of character for her to do something like that. However, if they were to introduce a female Kirk I'd have no issue with it. Also, he didn't run down to save her and leave the controls on because she was hot. He did so because he happens to care what happens to other people and would've done the same thing even if a male character was in her place.

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