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As much as I would have liked all of the cast members to remain, it is not practical in the situation. One of the issues many people have with TV shows that include danger in the storytelling is that those characters never die. It's always the red shirts.
TPTB of SGA have shown us, even if we don't like it, that sometimes the major characters are vulnerable. If Atlantis was never attacked or there were no lingering hazards because of the research necessary in the war with the Wraith, or with the Azurans, it might be okay to have major and recurring characters live on forever. But, the city has been attacked, there was weapons research and there are off-world expeditions. People get injured and die.
It would also be nice if there was mention of characters that are no longer there. I thought it sad that Beckett, at least, was not discussed. However, I can understand that the discussion would be difficult to fit in so that it made sense and was appropriate. Taking time out of the very brief 43 minutes alloted and still tell the story is not an easy thing to do.
Personally, I keep looking at the calendar and counting the days, even though we don't have a start date, yet. How long until S4???
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Originally posted by Lorr View PostAs much as I would have liked all of the cast members to remain, it is not practical in the situation. One of the issues many people have with TV shows that include danger in the storytelling is that those characters never die. It's always the red shirts.
Do people really want main characters to die on shows?
oh man so glad i'm not watching season 4. I don't even want to see commercials for it...
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Originally posted by parisindy View Posti honestly have never had this dissatisfaction. There are alot of shows out there that do a great job of inserting 'peril' without actually killing main characters off.
I think the best examples are The Storm/Eye or Common Ground, it was obvious to anyone that the major characters weren't going to die there, but what really made the peril was the possibility of losing atlantis/sheppard being old
Originally posted by parisindy View PostDo people really want main characters to die on shows?
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well it boggles my mind... its all about implied peril... i never wanted anyone to die
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Originally posted by Lorr View PostAs much as I would have liked all of the cast members to remain, it is not practical in the situation. One of the issues many people have with TV shows that include danger in the storytelling is that those characters never die. It's always the red shirts.
TPTB of SGA have shown us, even if we don't like it, that sometimes the major characters are vulnerable. If Atlantis was never attacked or there were no lingering hazards because of the research necessary in the war with the Wraith, or with the Azurans, it might be okay to have major and recurring characters live on forever. But, the city has been attacked, there was weapons research and there are off-world expeditions. People get injured and die.
It would also be nice if there was mention of characters that are no longer there. I thought it sad that Beckett, at least, was not discussed. However, I can understand that the discussion would be difficult to fit in so that it made sense and was appropriate. Taking time out of the very brief 43 minutes alloted and still tell the story is not an easy thing to do.
Personally, I keep looking at the calendar and counting the days, even though we don't have a start date, yet. How long until S4???
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Originally posted by Mitchell82 View PostYou have made excellent points and I agree. The thing that always bothers me about several tv shows is that the main characters are never vulnerable. True they can show vulnerability without killing which they have done but to make it realistic you can't just have random unimportant people die. Once in a while someone major has to die to make it seem more real. IMO it's a necessary evil, and I'd have been upset if it didnt translate well on screen. As much as I'd love for everyone to remain the main cast is realitively still intact and I can't wait for season 4.
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I finally figured out what it is that's erked me about season 3! There's no direction! (It all came to me after watching a highly recommended episode of Dr Who.. don't ask )
Season 1 was about exploring/finding ZPMs/finding a way to defend themselves and contact Earth. I love season 1! Then somewhere during season 2 - though the majority of the eps were great! - the direction was lost and season 3 was just anything goes.
From season 1-8 (I think) Stargate was about finding advanced technology/applying the technology/defeating the goa'uld/replacators/the whole government conspiracy stuff (which I loved) and then season 9 onwards was defeating the Ori and saving a galaxy. Plus the characters had a reason for being there. It kinda felt like Teyla, Ronan and Weir (to different degrees) were there because they had to be.
Originally posted by Heaven View PostNo, not really. they just hope to get a peril kick out of it when the writing gets dull.
Probably 'cause his death actually had some meaning to it.
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Originally posted by Cautious Explorer View PostIt's a fine line. Kill off too many characters and who's going to invest in any of them. Don't get attached, they'll just kill him/her off. Personally, I'm willing to sacrifice a little sense of peril in order to know my favorite character will be back next week.
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Originally posted by Aussie_Fan View PostI finally figured out what it is that's erked me about season 3! There's no direction! (It all came to me after watching a highly recommended episode of Dr Who.. don't ask )
Season 1 was about exploring/finding ZPMs/finding a way to defend themselves and contact Earth. I love season 1! Then somewhere during season 2 - though the majority of the eps were great! - the direction was lost and season 3 was just anything goes.
From season 1-8 (I think) Stargate was about finding advanced technology/applying the technology/defeating the goa'uld/replacators/the whole government conspiracy stuff (which I loved) and then season 9 onwards was defeating the Ori and saving a galaxy. Plus the characters had a reason for being there. It kinda felt like Teyla, Ronan and Weir (to different degrees) were there because they had to be.
Sorry, there was no kick for me when Carson was killed. I just rolled my eyes and waited for the next ep. Now when Groden (sp?) was killed in the end of S1, I was really upset about it!
Probably 'cause his death actually had some meaning to it.
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Originally posted by Mitchell82 View PostYou have made excellent points and I agree. The thing that always bothers me about several tv shows is that the main characters are never vulnerable. True they can show vulnerability without killing which they have done but to make it realistic you can't just have random unimportant people die. Once in a while someone major has to die to make it seem more real. IMO it's a necessary evil, and I'd have been upset if it didnt translate well on screen. As much as I'd love for everyone to remain the main cast is realitively still intact and I can't wait for season 4.
Think about it. Like in SUbmersion for example. The whole episode I kept thinking, "Um, why is the leader of the expidition here? Who's running Atlantis?" and it tarnished the epi a bit for me.
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