Originally posted by bluealien
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That makes a lot of sense Linda 
and you pretty much sum up my feelings on it. I really don't agree that once a couple get together that fans loose interest. The relationship still has to evolve even when feelings are admitted. I found the idea that fans only want to see UST a bit outdated, and I'm not sure why JF and probably the ptb seem to think like this as well. Years of UST becomes boring fast and if goes on too long then I loose interest. This happened in JAG and it nearly put me off the show with all the "will they won't they" crap. I like to see growth in a relationship and as I said it doesn't have to suddenly stop when they finally become a couple.
I have no problem with tension and obstacles thrown in, but there has to be some continuity and growth as well. This is why I had such such a problem with Teyla's pregnancy because for me it didn't follow on with how the writers had previously portrayed Teyla and I think this is why a lot (even non shippers) are having a problem with the pregnancy storyline. Comments are that it is boring and uninteresting, and this is because we have no connection to Kanaan as he has been pulled out of a hat to fit the storyline. I know the writers had to incorporate Rachel's pregnancy but they need to stay true to her character as well. They should have introduced Kanaan much ealier in the season to allow us time to connect to him, and therefore made Teyla's "feelings" towards him more believable. Michael would have been a more believable scenario and Teyla's character wouldn't have been compromised as much imo...
I realise we have still had lovely moments between JT in season four, but I think the writers could have given us a lot more if they had Michael as the father. This would have given John and Teyla a lot more to work with, as the implications of Michael experimenting on Teyla could have brought about major angsty scenes, and given the writers a much better opportunity of bringing them closer. They didnt have to go as far as consumating anthing..
but this kind of scenario could have given us a wide range of feeling including hurt, comfort, anger and angst, but instead they took the easy way out, because they have this fixed notion that if JT come together or admitted any feelings then fans will immediately tire of it and loose interest. This really is a very black and white way of looking at things, and really only highlights a lack of imagination on their part. A relationship doesn't have to be all hand holding and lovey dovey scenes. It can be an evolution of feelings. If handled properly it can go through various stages and each stage should bring about new depth to the characters. Sure we can have the tension and the UST and the obstacles, but there also has to be some forward momentum, or fans do loose interest.
A relationship can be drawn out over time with little hints of feelings and changes to the relationship, but years of UST and "will they won't they", or the sudden appearance of other "love" interests just tend to frustate fans and if carried on too for too long ultimately turn fans of. If the writers are going to hint at a particular pairing then they need to be consistant. They cannot give definite hints of a relationship in one episode and almost completely contradict it in the next. This is what tptb seem to think holds fans attention, but they couldn't be more wrong IMO... they don't have to run head long into a full blown relationship and this is what they don't seem to realise. A relationship can be built up over time but you cannot just go off of rediculous tangents and expect to keep fans interested. This is not tension but total frustration. A strong friendship is better imo and a deepening of it, rather than hints of relationships one moment and then total denial the next, have some continunity and build on it.
Feelings can be admitted without entering into a full blown relationship. I don't think that any of us in fact really want that. We just need to know that there are feelings, and they do care about one another.. more than friends, but there are so many more ways of taking a relationship besides years of UST and no resolution, or full blown relationships with them skipping off into the sunset. ... give us all the in between moments. Throw obstacles in their way.. but no stupid love interests..
. Keep things subtle and in the background, throw in spanners occasionally into the mix to have us on the edge of our seats.. Explore the characters emotions through their relationship but keep it in the background. It only has to be touched on occasionally. A bad mission could cause them to hold each other once they had gotten back to their quarters. We could get to learn more about each of them as we would see them open up more to one another.
There are just so many possibilites but unfortunately the writers don't seem capable of exloring any of them, and intead they throw out the usual years of UST and flit between one pairing and another, and in the end never really allow any of them to show true and realistic emotions. We get the Kanaans and Larrins and unfortunately I don't think this trend is going to stop anytime soon.
ops.. sorry I seem to have rambled on..
and you pretty much sum up my feelings on it. I really don't agree that once a couple get together that fans loose interest. The relationship still has to evolve even when feelings are admitted. I found the idea that fans only want to see UST a bit outdated, and I'm not sure why JF and probably the ptb seem to think like this as well. Years of UST becomes boring fast and if goes on too long then I loose interest. This happened in JAG and it nearly put me off the show with all the "will they won't they" crap. I like to see growth in a relationship and as I said it doesn't have to suddenly stop when they finally become a couple.I have no problem with tension and obstacles thrown in, but there has to be some continuity and growth as well. This is why I had such such a problem with Teyla's pregnancy because for me it didn't follow on with how the writers had previously portrayed Teyla and I think this is why a lot (even non shippers) are having a problem with the pregnancy storyline. Comments are that it is boring and uninteresting, and this is because we have no connection to Kanaan as he has been pulled out of a hat to fit the storyline. I know the writers had to incorporate Rachel's pregnancy but they need to stay true to her character as well. They should have introduced Kanaan much ealier in the season to allow us time to connect to him, and therefore made Teyla's "feelings" towards him more believable. Michael would have been a more believable scenario and Teyla's character wouldn't have been compromised as much imo...
I realise we have still had lovely moments between JT in season four, but I think the writers could have given us a lot more if they had Michael as the father. This would have given John and Teyla a lot more to work with, as the implications of Michael experimenting on Teyla could have brought about major angsty scenes, and given the writers a much better opportunity of bringing them closer. They didnt have to go as far as consumating anthing..
but this kind of scenario could have given us a wide range of feeling including hurt, comfort, anger and angst, but instead they took the easy way out, because they have this fixed notion that if JT come together or admitted any feelings then fans will immediately tire of it and loose interest. This really is a very black and white way of looking at things, and really only highlights a lack of imagination on their part. A relationship doesn't have to be all hand holding and lovey dovey scenes. It can be an evolution of feelings. If handled properly it can go through various stages and each stage should bring about new depth to the characters. Sure we can have the tension and the UST and the obstacles, but there also has to be some forward momentum, or fans do loose interest.A relationship can be drawn out over time with little hints of feelings and changes to the relationship, but years of UST and "will they won't they", or the sudden appearance of other "love" interests just tend to frustate fans and if carried on too for too long ultimately turn fans of. If the writers are going to hint at a particular pairing then they need to be consistant. They cannot give definite hints of a relationship in one episode and almost completely contradict it in the next. This is what tptb seem to think holds fans attention, but they couldn't be more wrong IMO... they don't have to run head long into a full blown relationship and this is what they don't seem to realise. A relationship can be built up over time but you cannot just go off of rediculous tangents and expect to keep fans interested. This is not tension but total frustration. A strong friendship is better imo and a deepening of it, rather than hints of relationships one moment and then total denial the next, have some continunity and build on it.
Feelings can be admitted without entering into a full blown relationship. I don't think that any of us in fact really want that. We just need to know that there are feelings, and they do care about one another.. more than friends, but there are so many more ways of taking a relationship besides years of UST and no resolution, or full blown relationships with them skipping off into the sunset. ... give us all the in between moments. Throw obstacles in their way.. but no stupid love interests..
. Keep things subtle and in the background, throw in spanners occasionally into the mix to have us on the edge of our seats.. Explore the characters emotions through their relationship but keep it in the background. It only has to be touched on occasionally. A bad mission could cause them to hold each other once they had gotten back to their quarters. We could get to learn more about each of them as we would see them open up more to one another.There are just so many possibilites but unfortunately the writers don't seem capable of exloring any of them, and intead they throw out the usual years of UST and flit between one pairing and another, and in the end never really allow any of them to show true and realistic emotions. We get the Kanaans and Larrins and unfortunately I don't think this trend is going to stop anytime soon.
ops.. sorry I seem to have rambled on..
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I was like meh in the end....I kinda lost interest by then.....The UST with no or next to no resolution is an 80's thing.......Nowadays people want more and like you said no one wants them to end up all lovey dovey,it's just not them...
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