Originally posted by vaberella
When we go off topic we really go off topic don't we?! 
Well let's see if I can veer it back on topic with a rant of mine, which developed through several consecutive nights of chatting with a good amount of members on this thread...some who are frequent and some who aren't.
Well let's see if I can veer it back on topic with a rant of mine, which developed through several consecutive nights of chatting with a good amount of members on this thread...some who are frequent and some who aren't.
Hmmm..where to begin. I'll begin with 'the look' as I label it. Now those who I spoke to might remember what I said about 'the look' for those who don't here's the low down. After rewatching S1 and the vids of S2 I have, I came to a conclusion. John's use of the 'puppy dog' look. Now some of you might know what I'm talking about, some don't. And it wasn't anything I paticularly paid attention to, until of course amongst various girl talks in real we had mentioned men and how they seem to use that look on women, which they probably learned from using on their mums. Is that sexist? Sure, girls use it too..but it's more of a pout. Boys tend to draw their brows together and give this pleading look, you get a few who add a pout, but they usually would have outgrown. Again this isn't to focus on the various areas of the look, it's just a generalized point which I've noticed.
In the case of John we see this use in 'Suspicion' mainly, seen it used in 'The Gift' and most noticeably I've seen it used in, 'TLG' and 'Allies'---even moments of 'Intruder' and ONLY from what I gathered on Teyla. I will diverge from the look a bit, to bring up another point of contention I have and will really be the focal point of my rant.
In the case of John we see this use in 'Suspicion' mainly, seen it used in 'The Gift' and most noticeably I've seen it used in, 'TLG' and 'Allies'---even moments of 'Intruder' and ONLY from what I gathered on Teyla. I will diverge from the look a bit, to bring up another point of contention I have and will really be the focal point of my rant.
Where in blazes do people see that John disrespects and undermines Teyla? Not only that makes her feel like crap and treats her like a child?! Where has anyone seen that? I have in no way ever ever ever ever ever seen him do that. On the contrary, he's the ONLY one to actually WANT and LISTENS to her opinion out of those who come from Atlantis. I have not seen any concrete moments between Weir and Teyla, to give Weir any credit on that point. As for McKay, although I'm sure he cares in some way for Teyla--taking 'Suspicion' into account, I find that 'Epiphany' made me look at my main man in a negative light for his comment which was used for insulting purposes not complimentary; I do think he has a level of conceit which shows it's ugly head when it comes to how he feels in relation to those of the PG--translating to 'superiority of the primitive' .
As for Ronon, I have only seen Ronon look up to Teyla in some moments but not to the comparable amount of times to John and Teyla and mainly seeked her out in about 3 eps this season for her opinion and interest in her feelings. Yeah, I saw her and Ronon, as more brotherly--since it had no direct affect on TEAM actions and decisions--excluding the one moment in 'Instinct'
. Yes, he just seems like a little boy who gets excited to play REAL cops and robbers. 
It's too bad I like him as much as I do. 
As for Ronon, I have only seen Ronon look up to Teyla in some moments but not to the comparable amount of times to John and Teyla and mainly seeked her out in about 3 eps this season for her opinion and interest in her feelings. Yeah, I saw her and Ronon, as more brotherly--since it had no direct affect on TEAM actions and decisions--excluding the one moment in 'Instinct'
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It's too bad I like him as much as I do.
...Major point in factor...Do these ppl even like Teyla's character?...Have they given concrete proof that he underminds, her? Other than their own conjecture. I bet not. Since it's very clear that he trusts her, because if he didn't she WOULD NOT be on his team. There is no way in creation that Sheppard being who he is would ever allow someone whose opinion he doesn't trust and respect to be part of his team. An since Teyla is part of his team and was CHOSEN by him, not assigned or anything like that but picked by the man himself to be on his team and has remained on his team, shows that there is no bloody way that he underminds her or doesn't listen to her. Cause as you pointed out, after their discussion in LFP he stayed. He would not leave her and he listened to her reasoning, and understood where she was coming from.
Anyway, I slightly digressed. My whole point is..John has clearly on many occasions shown his concern for her state of mind, for her assurance, and also for her agreement and opinion. It has been, from what I've seen during times of argument, Teyla is far more prone to laying him flat out as she has with everyone else in the Atlantis Expedition. Of course, not as with such blatantly disrespect she's given to Ronon
Not in one instance have I seen John demean her opinion. Unless any frequent J/T fans here has seen something I haven't?
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Then why does this seem to have taken such a popular opinion by those who are NOT fans of J/T. Maybe just that, because it helps in the belief that J/T is not even worth considering, when it's the ONLY natural consideration. 
Now this brings me back to my original rant on 'the look'. I've noticed in times of disagreement with Teyla he uses his 'puppy dog look' to get his way. Now I wonder why that is. When with all the other women, from Chaya, blonde from The Tower, even Weir, we get this hard nosed, 'I know what's right, and I'm gonna do it! With or without your consent!' Yet, with Teyla he spends more time pleading his case than anything else. The only time I can say he was adamant about something around her was in 'LFP'. But even then he later gave in. Does anyone else have an idea as to why he finds using his 'puppy dog expression' on Teyla is more effective than anything else? Because from, what I saw, she really isn't impressed by it or even interested. 
(don't worry if that doesn't make sense....
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But it does show an interesting point in their relationship. Why is it her, he feels the need to sway? And yet not the other ladies...though some have grabbed his attention? How many of you ladies with boyfriends and husbands, have had 'the look' come your way? How many of you have given in? And have you noticed his use of it with or in the presence of other women? Or just you and his mum, probably have the benefit? I just want to get an idea if it's really something significant or if it's just a fluke continuous occurence, and if you guys find this might relate to J/T. I can't be the only one to have noticed that John has used this look!
Okay, I think I'm done. I was interested in perspectives of the look and those statements I see flying around.
Hmmm...another thanks for the great new smilie...lucky us, we're always on top of our game!
VB
Okay, I think I'm done. I was interested in perspectives of the look and those statements I see flying around.
Hmmm...another thanks for the great new smilie...lucky us, we're always on top of our game!
VB
ok so that's my rambling on the topic....
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