Elizabeth Weir/John Sheppard Appreciation/Ship/Discussion Thread

[Pearl of Atlantis76]

*comes out of lurker mode*
Hello, everyone! I've been following this thread for the last three or four months and finally decided to register. So bare with me as I figure my way around here.

Welcome to the thread!

So, as tragic as Sheppard/Weir was, the fact that Elizabeth's absence left such a gaping painful hole in Sheppard's heart pretty much guarantees that my love for them will never die.

I agree. But never the less I would have preferred to have been able to see a happy ending for the both of them.

What made me not give up on Sparky was John’s grief over Elizabeth. The fact he teared up a bit, when Keller told him about Elizabeth’s condition, if I hadn’t been sold to the Sparkiness before, this part would have definitely made the trick.

Many thanks to you all, this has been a very interesting experience

We do this every Sunday around this time.

They are team mates and friends and they care about each other. IDK, I always liked their friendship, so their moments didn't bother me as much as it bothered some of my shipmates. Because you can care about the people in your life in different ways and just because he was worried, it doesn't have to necessarily mean anything else.

I choose to leave aside outside influences or tptb's expectations when looking at their dynamics. I don't care about what tptb want me to see or what other people want to see, they can't force me to see something that just isn't there to me. So, when I look at them I see a friendship, comradeship but nothing else.

I always saw/see John and Teyla as good friends. I always felt that Teyla in a way tried to care a little bit more about John after Elizabeth’s departure.

Spoiler:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmMoTNXPUt8

Nice video. I do love this song very much!

Thanks for the warm welcome everyone. I wasn't able to participate in this weeks post-a-thon, but I'm not too disappointed since this weeks episode is not a favorite of mine. Hopefully, I'll be around for Quarantine.

It will be great if you will be able to join us next week!

And I'm back to announce that PM Part II Act I is up. See that wasn't so long a wait.

Spoiler:

It really seemed we are kind of back to the old times. Isn’t it great?!

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j55/Nolamom/Stargate%20Stuff/atl_412_936manip.jpg~original

Love it!!!

[JT-2]

*comes out of lurker mode*
Hello, everyone! I've been following this thread for the last three or four months and finally decided to register. So bare with me as I figure my way around here.

Welcome to the thread!!

I don't take into account anything that person says. Why should I pay attention to someone whose opinion of the show is so low and who couldn't care less about preserving the integrity of this show and the characters? A person who got the show cancelled, that how little he cared.

This movie was never going to be made, it was never even a plan to make it in a distant future, it was never going to be happen, period. And the talks about this ~movie are nothing but a laughable attempt at getting back at SGA fans for getting that other show cancelled, you know they blame us. It's a take that, see what you could have had but you ruined it.

^^^THIS A THOUSAND TIMES

So I came across The Last Song on TV today and was inspired to make the final touches on my fanvid. It's the product of three months' worth of work. I hope you enjoy it!

And thanks to ShipperWriter for allowing me to use this song.

Spoiler:

Brava!

[Samantha-Carter-is-my-muse]

We do this every Sunday around this time.

It's a really good idea Do you watch the episodes in chronological order?

[Pearl of Atlantis76]

It's a really good idea Do you watch the episodes in chronological order?

Yes, we do. Next Sunday it will be "Quarantine".

[Samantha-Carter-is-my-muse]

Yes, we do. Next Sunday it will be "Quarantine".

Okay thanks I don't have SGA on DVD so I'll just read all your messages

[mandogater]

So I came across The Last Song on TV today and was inspired to make the final touches on my fanvid. It's the product of three months' worth of work. I hope you enjoy it!

And thanks to ShipperWriter for allowing me to use this song.

Spoiler:

I really like it, Sparks!!!! Great job.

[itsaparadox]

Good Monday morning afternoon, everyone! I had an uneventful weekend, but more on that later.

And welcome to It's a Paradox!

Welcome to the thread!

Welcome to the thread!!

Thank you!

[Luz]

Yes, we do. Next Sunday it will be "Quarantine".

I'm going to try to catch up, but I'm terrible at watching in chronological order. I keep watching random episodes here and there. But I really want to watch them in order. Though it's easier to watch them now because I have SGA-R to cleanse my palate. And it hasn't been so bad, I forgot how much I loved all the characters, so I try to focus on them instead of how much I miss Lizzie.

[Nolamom]

[Sparky She-Demon]

I can't give you green (virtual green will have to do) and could you send that manip to me via PM? So I can upload it to my bucket?

[Nolamom]

you can directly from here, just right click, and then save as

[Luz]

Thoughts brought to you by my watching random season 5 episodes.

I know I talk about this a lot, it's just, isn't it strange that as much as tptb hated Sheppard/Weir and as eager as they (and shippers of rival pairings) were to get rid of her, they didn't seize the chance to make one of those rival pairings canon? In fact, they did the opposite. They gave everyone, except Sheppard, a significant other. And this only made Sheppard's loneliness, and the void Elizabeth's absence left in his life stand out.

IDK, it's just something that's always confused me about them. How they apparently wanted one thing but everything they did went against it. They shipped one pairing but they created a narrative that turned Elizabeth into the most significant person in Sheppard's life. To the point that her loss turned him into a shadow of himself.

And it's striking because I've been re-watching episodes of The Mentalist. I don't know if any of you have watched this show but Jane, the protagonist, lost his wife and daughter. And the way John behaves is reminiscent of Jane. And it's taken Jane ten years to even begin to allow himself to open up to another person. Though John is even more subdued than Jane. Because his pain is still very fresh. In fact we got to see a flashback episode where they showed Jane a couple months after his family got killed. Now, that Jane really resembled John.

And I look at John, without Elizabeth, and he behaves like a widower.

[Nolamom]

[Southern Red]

Thoughts brought to you by my watching random season 5 episodes.

I know I talk about this a lot, it's just, isn't it strange that as much as tptb hated Sheppard/Weir and as eager as they (and shippers of rival pairings) were to get rid of her, they didn't seize the chance to make one of those rival pairings canon? In fact, they did the opposite. They gave everyone, except Sheppard, a significant other. And this only made Sheppard's loneliness, and the void Elizabeth's absence left in his life stand out.

IDK, it's just something that's always confused me about them. How they apparently wanted one thing but everything they did went against it. They shipped one pairing but they created a narrative that turned Elizabeth into the most significant person in Sheppard's life. To the point that her loss turned him into a shadow of himself.

And it's striking because I've been re-watching episodes of The Mentalist. I don't know if any of you have watched this show but Jane, the protagonist, lost his wife and daughter. And the way John behaves is reminiscent of Jane. And it's taken Jane ten years to even begin to allow himself to open up to another person. Though John is even more subdued than Jane. Because his pain is still very fresh. In fact we got to see a flashback episode where they showed Jane a couple months after his family got killed. Now, that Jane really resembled John.

And I look at John, without Elizabeth, and he behaves like a widower.

I watch The Mentalist also, and yes, the woobie face is universal when you've lost a loved one. He doesn't remind me of John in any other way though because I think Jane is a bit wacko, but anyway. And I'm praying they don't hook him up with Lisbon. If you want to be reminded of John, watch Hell on Wheels from the beginning.

Pretty much everyone agrees that John lost his devil-may-care spirit when he lost her, even if they don't ship them. In fact I know that at least one other shipper group blame the writers for focusing on that loss and neglecting to show the wuv twoo wuv between John and someone else who shall remain nameless who is not Teyla.

I honestly don't think these writers have a clue what they did. Maybe they don't know all the romance tropes. Maybe they never in their lives watched a show with a will-they/won't-they arc. Maybe they don't read books or watch movies with any romantic angles. All that would have to be true for them not to have seen the symbolism in, for example, him carrying her in his arms to the infirmary or the dozens of other little things that showed their connection. But aside from all that, we've got the total lack of a similar connection with any other character.

Well okay you might say, he kissed Teyla. But consider the circumstances. That would have been like Dracula biting the neck of some random female who wandered up...outside influences. And she was obviously offended and relieved not to talk about it. Now, I'm no expert, but that signals the end of it to me. Saving her life numerous times, which the writers themselves held up as an example of him caring for her? WTF? He saved Jennifer's life and almost died, plus almost every other principal character at least once. They were just clueless about their own writing. We used to speculate that there was an editor who was secretly Sparky and was editing the show to play up that angle.

[Scary Kitty]

Good morning, Sparkies! Happy Smutty Tuesday!

I watch The Mentalist also, and yes, the woobie face is universal when you've lost a loved one. He doesn't remind me of John in any other way though because I think Jane is a bit wacko, but anyway. And I'm praying they don't hook him up with Lisbon. If you want to be reminded of John, watch Hell on Wheels from the beginning.

Pretty much everyone agrees that John lost his devil-may-care spirit when he lost her, even if they don't ship them. In fact I know that at least one other shipper group blame the writers for focusing on that loss and neglecting to show the wuv twoo wuv between John and someone else who shall remain nameless who is not Teyla.

I honestly don't think these writers have a clue what they did. Maybe they don't know all the romance tropes. Maybe they never in their lives watched a show with a will-they/won't-they arc. Maybe they don't read books or watch movies with any romantic angles. All that would have to be true for them not to have seen the symbolism in, for example, him carrying her in his arms to the infirmary or the dozens of other little things that showed their connection. But aside from all that, we've got the total lack of a similar connection with any other character.

Well okay you might say, he kissed Teyla. But consider the circumstances. That would have been like Dracula biting the neck of some random female who wandered up...outside influences. And she was obviously offended and relieved not to talk about it. Now, I'm no expert, but that signals the end of it to me. Saving her life numerous times, which the writers themselves held up as an example of him caring for her? WTF? He saved Jennifer's life and almost died, plus almost every other principal character at least once. They were just clueless about their own writing. We used to speculate that there was an editor who was secretly Sparky and was editing the show to play up that angle.

What have I been saying all along? Sparky is on screen, therefore it is canon.

But really, I have to wonder about TPTW. I guess I'm still kind of in shock that anyone could actually be that clueless about how the things they wrote could be perceived by the audience and that, geewiz, people actually develop different interpretations? And they call themselves professionals who understand what audiences want? Really, TPTW? *shakes head*

Oh well, we still haz fanfic.