Elizabeth Weir/John Sheppard Appreciation/Ship/Discussion Thread

[Anuna]

Yes, you could basically envision crickets in the writers' room as they tried to decide how to make John seeing Elizabeth with Bearded!Mike NOT shippy and I don't think they could. Put him in Rodney's place in the cafeteria. There are only so many ways he could have reacted.

- Do what Rodney did and look amused: couldn't--out of character for Sheppard because he worries about her status as expedition head. Plus, we'd already had him believing she was eating with Teyla, so there would have been a question of why he was misinformed. It wouldn't have been a brush off for him like it was for Rodney.

- Look surprised: would be seen as shippy

- Look irritated: would be seen as WAY shippy

- Look curious: would be seen as shippy

And any additional scenes of John interacting with her would have been interpreted through the filter of his having seen her with Mike.

So, they just ignored it. I'm always surprised by that, actually, that the Mike and John stories are the only ones in Sunday that don't cross paths, really. Or maybe I'm not.

I'm actually not surprised. They were very aware of John/Elizabeth, thier interactions, their chemistry, the popularity of the ship. Sunday just proves they tried to shove it under the rug - pretend the elephant isn't dancing through the room and it will go away.

Only it didn't go away.

On the other hand, no matter how they spinned the other ship, "the fandom never really got behind it." Quoting a fan of that other ship.

[Scary Kitty]

I think John was just annoyed with the Kirk label... not really McKay's best idea if he wants Liz and John together

Lol, thx :^)
I really need someone to read over the entire thing before I start posting it. You wouldn't be interested, would you?

Well, we all know that McKay isn't all that good with relationships himself.

Oooh, a beta read? I might just be interested... send it my way!

I'm actually not surprised. They were very aware of John/Elizabeth, thier interactions, their chemistry, the popularity of the ship. Sunday just proves they tried to shove it under the rug - pretend the elephant isn't dancing through the room and it will go away.

Only it didn't go away.

On the other hand, no matter how they spinned the other ship, "the fandom never really got behind it." Quoting a fan of that other ship.

The Big Red Sparky Elephant strikes again!

And it just goes to show that a smart writer goes with the ship that the fandom has gotten behind. Therefore, TPTW were foolish to ignore the wishes of the fandom, and utterly backwards to try to torpedo Sparky.

Hey Mallozzi, it didn't work so well, did it? WE'RE STILL HERE!!! AHAHAHAHA!!!!!

[KrisRussel]

Well, we all know that McKay isn't all that good with relationships himself.

Yeah, just look at the Katie fiasco *headdesk*
Wonder what the writers were thinking when they frakked that up... it could have been so lovely... but no, they had to frak it up again

Oooh, a beta read? I might just be interested... send it my way!

*grins* Thx!! I've send you a message

Hey Mallozzi, it didn't work so well, did it? WE'RE STILL HERE!!! AHAHAHAHA!!!!!

Yes we are, and we're far from down!! On the contrary
Sparky LIVES!!!!

[Scary Kitty]

Yeah, just look at the Katie fiasco *headdesk*
Wonder what the writers were thinking when they frakked that up... it could have been so lovely... but no, they had to frak it up again

I don't think they were thinking on that one. *sighs* Rodney/Katie was just so adorkable.

Yes we are, and we're far from down!! On the contrary
Sparky LIVES!!!!

Muahahahah!

[Southern Red]

I'm actually not surprised. They were very aware of John/Elizabeth, thier interactions, their chemistry, the popularity of the ship. Sunday just proves they tried to shove it under the rug - pretend the elephant isn't dancing through the room and it will go away.

Only it didn't go away.

On the other hand, no matter how they spinned the other ship, "the fandom never really got behind it." Quoting a fan of that other ship.

Mallozzi even said on his blog that he didn't care if 10 times as many people supported this ship, it wouldn't influence their decisions. Okay then, how did that ratings thing work out for you? You can't stubbornly stay with ideas that are very unpopular and expect not to lose viewers. We didn't expect a wedding and babiez, but just sticking with what worked would have been nice.

Well, we all know that McKay isn't all that good with relationships himself.

Oooh, a beta read? I might just be interested... send it my way!



The Big Red Sparky Elephant strikes again!

And it just goes to show that a smart writer goes with the ship that the fandom has gotten behind. Therefore, TPTW were foolish to ignore the wishes of the fandom, and utterly backwards to try to torpedo Sparky.

Hey Mallozzi, it didn't work so well, did it? WE'RE STILL HERE!!! AHAHAHAHA!!!!!

Yep, we are proof that we are unsinkable.

[Scary Kitty]

Mallozzi even said on his blog that he didn't care if 10 times as many people supported this ship, it wouldn't influence their decisions. Okay then, how did that ratings thing work out for you? You can't stubbornly stay with ideas that are very unpopular and expect not to lose viewers. We didn't expect a wedding and babiez, but just sticking with what worked would have been nice.

Rule #1 of running any successful business (because at the end of the day, the TV industry is a business just like any other): Give the customers what they want and don't piss them off. The customers wanted Sparky. TPTW not only refused to give the customers Sparky, they flat out insulted the customers. Repeatedly. And TPTW wonder why the fans have no respect for them. *snorts*

Yep, we are proof that we are unsinkable.

And we're never gonna go away. Neener neener neener.

[Scary Kitty]

My good ladies and lords, the final third of the latest Stargate!Ren fic is now online!

*shoos everyone off to go read*

[Erin87]

The Big Red Sparky Elephant strikes again!

And it just goes to show that a smart writer goes with the ship that the fandom has gotten behind. Therefore, TPTW were foolish to ignore the wishes of the fandom, and utterly backwards to try to torpedo Sparky.

Hey Mallozzi, it didn't work so well, did it? WE'RE STILL HERE!!! AHAHAHAHA!!!!!

You know I had to bring it out again.

Spoiler:

[Short Angel]

You know I had to bring it out again.

Spoiler:

http://i677.photobucket.com/albums/v...t-obvious2.jpg

Love it, and so very true. We're never going away. Muhahaha

[Scary Kitty]

You know I had to bring it out again.

Spoiler:

http://i677.photobucket.com/albums/v...t-obvious2.jpg

Ahahahaha! Bring on the dancing red elephant!

[KrisRussel]

You know I had to bring it out again.

Spoiler:

http://i677.photobucket.com/albums/v...t-obvious2.jpg

*raises thumbs*
Let the elephant loose!!

[Probie]

I hate Tuesdays. I'm not awake. People are not awake. I know I already said this but it's so true. I'm bored. I have nothing to do at my work for once.......4h

TPTB did a bad job about ships. Here in my wonderful country (lol), we're not influence by them or we didn't know what ship they wanted at the beginning. And when you read a french forum, John/Elizabeth seems to be very obvious because a "no-shipper" can see it. And we have also the french magazines. I always thought John and Elizabeth was the couple.

Time to go. I don't want.......

[KrisRussel]

TPTB did a bad job about ships. Here in my wonderful country (lol), we're not influence by them or we didn't know what ship they wanted at the beginning. And when you read a french forum, John/Elizabeth seems to be very obvious because a "no-shipper" can see it. And we have also the french magazines. I always thought John and Elizabeth was the couple.

You're lucky... we get the German and UK magazines here (there are no Belgian/Dutch sci-fi magazines as far as I know) and they are all pro-sheyla. It's the reason I was a sheyla when I started watching SGA and was baffled by the lack of it. Luckily Sparky was obvious and I didn't stay pro-sheyla for long... on the contrary

Too bad your job sucks so much

[Southern Red]

I hate Tuesdays. I'm not awake. People are not awake. I know I already said this but it's so true. I'm bored. I have nothing to do at my work for once.......4h

TPTB did a bad job about ships. Here in my wonderful country (lol), we're not influence by them or we didn't know what ship they wanted at the beginning. And when you read a french forum, John/Elizabeth seems to be very obvious because a "no-shipper" can see it. And we have also the french magazines. I always thought John and Elizabeth was the couple.

Time to go. I don't want.......

I really wish Joe and/or Torri would do a con in France and get the full Sparky feedback from the French fans. Sigh. Here I think the general attitude toward ship was split. The official Stargate mag was pro-Sheyla as was TV Guide and some others. The occasional SciFi column writer made a few comments about Sparky if I recall, but mostly they tend to go with what TPTB says in press releases, etc. It makes you wonder how closely they even watch. But then I recall also a rant from some guy after Vegas who was all mad that Vegas!John was gay. So I guess I got my answer. They don't pay much attention at all.

[Eri13]

I really wish Joe and/or Torri would do a con in France and get the full Sparky feedback from the French fans. Sigh. Here I think the general attitude toward ship was split. The official Stargate mag was pro-Sheyla as was TV Guide and some others. The occasional SciFi column writer made a few comments about Sparky if I recall, but mostly they tend to go with what TPTB says in press releases, etc. It makes you wonder how closely they even watch. But then I recall also a rant from some guy after Vegas who was all mad that Vegas!John was gay. So I guess I got my answer. They don't pay much attention at all.

I think here press people are always fed company lines and in terms of TV shows, they're not into burning bridges. I can't think of any shows where the 'non-ship' was ever recognized if it wasn't officially supported by the production company. I don't think it was that they didn't support Sparky, I think it was that they weren't told about it or told it wasn't going to happen (plus, most of them don't watch). Press here doesn't go after fan-supported ships unless it's been officially confirmed or they're writing their own opinion about it (like the bloggers). Doing so is dangerous if they earn the ire of the production company or if they're made to look fools by playing up something that ends up being completely wrong.

EDIT: And that's disregarding love triangles and such--competing ships are still official 'ships'--just one will win out over the other. Different from a ship not acknowledged by the show producers.