Elizabeth Weir/John Sheppard Appreciation/Ship/Discussion Thread

[Eri13]

HAHAHA, I was talking about in general Doctor Who has broken my heart. Like Doomsday, yeah I bawled my eyes. I really wish SGA had had that kind of impact on me. It took reading a fic about Elizabeth being held captive by the replicators for me to truly realize just how heartbreaking it was. Just how much it hurts is not because the show gave me that but because the story actually manged to go where the show didn't. The fact that Elizabeth was probably being tortured never crossed my mind until I actually read that fic. I find that actually kind of sad. The thing is SGA is like Eureka that it's a drama but it's a light drama and I was okay with that, but then SGA tried to go dark, like let's say BSG dark, but they never followed through. It was more like superficial dark, oh hey look we can kill off important people too but they never allowed that to go anywhere. They never bothered exploring what that kind of loss does to people beyond one episode. You can't try to be dark and then just forget what happened in that episode. It doesn't work like that, because then the show just looks badly written. To me Doctor Who was the only show that got the right mixture of angst, angst, angst with happy happy. I think SGA tried to grow but either they were too afraid to go where they needed to go to actually grow or tptb actually thought that they were going somewhere. Using excuses like it's been months since the last episode doesn't cut it. Why are we skipping months? Is it because they can't bother to actually write the fallout of their actions.

Great post, and ITA. I'd green you but apparently I give my Sparkies too many greens because it won't let me green anyone these days.

You're right, though, and that's why I can't come back to SGA like I could to DW or some of the other shows I consider great examples of storytelling--because they didn't follow through on story. Losing Elizabeth equated to losing Rose after S2 on DW, but on DW they respected her loss--and they completely could have gone the other way since Billie Piper chose to leave--they could have been mean and spiteful, but they weren't. They respected her by giving her and The Doctor a great, saddening storyline, then remembered her importance the year after she was gone. Not hugely, it wasn't all Rose angst, but it was here and there where it counted. That made me so happy I totally stuck with the show and survived Rose's loss as The Doctor survived it.

If they'd done that with Elizabeth, I might have stuck with SGA.

[starlings_id]

Just caught Rising on the TV for the first time in... a long time, actually, and I had completely forgotten how the whole balcony thing came about. I love how they just... walked through a door, and there it was, waiting for them. Like it was meant to be that they would spend many a sleepness night making out having deep conversations there.

Samantha

[Falcon Horus]

Tonight is the finale episode of Series 4 for us Americans. I know there's going to be angst, angst, angst but I'm still excited.

It's an absolute rollercoaster ride... but it's worth it. Every human emotion which exists will be able to express itself during this episode.

[Reiko]

Give me some other really kinky place.

» How about Landry's office? Caldwell's captain chair on the Daedalus?

So I wrote a fic today. Major hankie warning.

When I see the sun again

Looks like I'm in a heart shattering mood lately.

» *tear*

[Scary Kitty]

» How about Landry's office? Caldwell's captain chair on the Daedalus?

Oooh, there's a thought! While they're on Earth for a regularly-scheduled review with the SGC/IOA? Ah, there's nothing more exciting than the threat of being caught!

[SMB_BOOKS]

Anuna - "When I See The Sun Again" was heartbreakingly beautiful. I'd love to see a continuation of the reunion scene at the end..... LOL

[Scary Kitty]

HAHAHA, I was talking about in general Doctor Who has broken my heart. Like Doomsday, yeah I bawled my eyes. I really wish SGA had had that kind of impact on me. It took reading a fic about Elizabeth being held captive by the replicators for me to truly realize just how heartbreaking it was. Just how much it hurts is not because the show gave me that but because the story actually manged to go where the show didn't. The fact that Elizabeth was probably being tortured never crossed my mind until I actually read that fic. I find that actually kind of sad. The thing is SGA is like Eureka that it's a drama but it's a light drama and I was okay with that, but then SGA tried to go dark, like let's say BSG dark, but they never followed through. It was more like superficial dark, oh hey look we can kill off important people too but they never allowed that to go anywhere. They never bothered exploring what that kind of loss does to people beyond one episode. You can't try to be dark and then just forget what happened in that episode. It doesn't work like that, because then the show just looks badly written. To me Doctor Who was the only show that got the right mixture of angst, angst, angst with happy happy. I think SGA tried to grow but either they were too afraid to go where they needed to go to actually grow or tptb actually thought that they were going somewhere. Using excuses like it's been months since the last episode doesn't cut it. Why are we skipping months? Is it because they can't bother to actually write the fallout of their actions.

Great post, and ITA. I'd green you but apparently I give my Sparkies too many greens because it won't let me green anyone these days.

You're right, though, and that's why I can't come back to SGA like I could to DW or some of the other shows I consider great examples of storytelling--because they didn't follow through on story. Losing Elizabeth equated to losing Rose after S2 on DW, but on DW they respected her loss--and they completely could have gone the other way since Billie Piper chose to leave--they could have been mean and spiteful, but they weren't. They respected her by giving her and The Doctor a great, saddening storyline, then remembered her importance the year after she was gone. Not hugely, it wasn't all Rose angst, but it was here and there where it counted. That made me so happy I totally stuck with the show and survived Rose's loss as The Doctor survived it.

If they'd done that with Elizabeth, I might have stuck with SGA.

Damn. RP, Eri, the forum won't let me green either of you, so I'm sending MENTAL GREEN to you both!

[Reiko]

» *avoids Dr Who spoilers like the plague*

» Yes, I just began watching, and am staying spoilerfree *g*

[Falcon Horus]

» Yes, I just began watching, and am staying spoilerfree *g*

Good on you. Where are you at?

Damn, I wish my beta would reply already so I can post that one little drabble I wrote that has a smidgen of Sparky in it. Not to mention the other 20 drabbles I wrote for Lost City Found but was too late to post anyway.

[Reiko]

Good on you. Where are you at?

» Just the first episode, because my computer's been idiotic

[Falcon Horus]

» Just the first episode, because my computer's been idiotic

Oh, you're a Whovian in the making...

[Reiko]

» Hee! *g*

» Well, I have to go off to drive now. Wish me luck

[Scary Kitty]

» Hee! *g*

» Well, I have to go off to drive now. Wish me luck

Good luck! You can do it!

[gateraid]

HAHAHA, I was talking about in general Doctor Who has broken my heart. Like Doomsday, yeah I bawled my eyes. I really wish SGA had had that kind of impact on me. It took reading a fic about Elizabeth being held captive by the replicators for me to truly realize just how heartbreaking it was. Just how much it hurts is not because the show gave me that but because the story actually manged to go where the show didn't. The fact that Elizabeth was probably being tortured never crossed my mind until I actually read that fic. I find that actually kind of sad. The thing is SGA is like Eureka that it's a drama but it's a light drama and I was okay with that, but then SGA tried to go dark, like let's say BSG dark, but they never followed through. It was more like superficial dark, oh hey look we can kill off important people too but they never allowed that to go anywhere. They never bothered exploring what that kind of loss does to people beyond one episode. You can't try to be dark and then just forget what happened in that episode. It doesn't work like that, because then the show just looks badly written. To me Doctor Who was the only show that got the right mixture of angst, angst, angst with happy happy. I think SGA tried to grow but either they were too afraid to go where they needed to go to actually grow or tptb actually thought that they were going somewhere. Using excuses like it's been months since the last episode doesn't cut it. Why are we skipping months? Is it because they can't bother to actually write the fallout of their actions.

Sorry to butt into the convo, but do you remember what it was called? Sounds interesting.

[Falcon Horus]

So, all these fics... Where do they come from? As in, I'm seriously fic deprived and could do with a new source.