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**xkawaiix** · 03 August 2005, 07:54 AM

It could mean anything really, we'll just have to wait and see I supose...

**Bama** · 03 August 2005, 08:06 AM

Originally posted by Rubicon

OK so I know I read a

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I read spoilers and then go on about my merry way, never remember where they were. Tra-la-la!

To plant a big one on Shep or not to...that is a big decision. ; )
I'd bet the thought has briefly crossed her mind...oh say about the time she

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*evil grin*

-B

**Bama** · 03 August 2005, 08:21 AM

Originally posted by xkawaiix

Hmm... well

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You know, sometimes events like this, even though at first glance they may seem anti-ship a little, often give us insights into the true and growing feelings a character may have about someone else. It most certainly will give us insight into the Shep character.

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Theirs is going to be a lot more intense and long-term meaningful than one fleeting moment of sexual awareness. Now, while I do think sexual awareness will (and most likely already has) develop between Shep and Elizabeth, I also know that both of them seem to be honorable people who would shove such aside for as long as they could fight it for the mission's sake as well as respectfulness to the other and the team. If things keep munching along though, time and experiences will bring them to some points in the road where such feelings cannot be shoved aside. Those 'windows' of clear sight are a beautiful thing for the characters and the audience to behold.

-Bama ; )

**Bama** · 03 August 2005, 08:24 AM

Originally posted by Southern Red

I usually don't listen to commentaries either because they all tend to say the same things, but this one was different. In fact I read a review somewhere that said JF was the best thing about this one because you could see that he is interested in every aspect of the filming and is learning the craft. He and Martin Wood seem to have a great relationship and work well together. Joe's humility and willingness to learn also come through, and he has a very impressive vocabulary. Gushing, I know I should head over to the thunk thread. Hey, maybe we can help him get over his fear of the internet. As for seeing your teacher in the store. I used to be one so I get it. I always sent hubby to the liquor store.

LOL! Teachers are people too. I taught for 12 years before going into adminstration. I know where you're coming from. ; )

I like Joe a lot from what little I've seen of him. I think, since this is a JOHN/ELIZABETH thread and we've certainly been gushing over the female side of that duo lately, that it is surely OK to indulge ourselves in a little harmless John/Joe gushing here. ; ) I'm very much looking forward to the ep he directed.

-Bama ; )

**xkawaiix** · 03 August 2005, 08:38 AM

Originally posted by Rubicon

OK so I know I read a

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I read spoilers and then go on about my merry way, never remember where they were. Tra-la-la!

You know, I'm starting to think again about the 'It could mean anything' Well, it could still mean anything, but maybe

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I think that either way, this epi is gonna be shippy whether happy shippy or angst shippy.

**Bama** · 03 August 2005, 08:45 AM

Originally posted by Southern Red

Bama, you sound like my kind of woman also. Must be the Southern belle thing, sugar.

Yeah, we southern gals do tend to be romantic. ; ) A lot of times on messageboards people will ask me why I use pet names like (honey, sugar, babe, darlin). I can never get it across to them that THAT is how we actually talk (and think). LOL

I've seen a common idea in the last few pages. Elizabeth is a very strong woman. Strong women scare some people. Maybe at first TPTB didn't quite know what to do with her. I love the softer moments which seem to always come when a certain pilot is about to die or when she finds out he is indeed not going to die.

Those have been my fave moments as well. She has that womanly softness in her eyes and it comes through but at the same time, she realizes she has to be tough on the outside too. The weight of the world is on that woman's shoulders at times and one false step can mean disaster. I think we're all going to enjoy the few episodes where she releases a little of that stress.

I stood up and cheered at the unfortunate Kavenaugh moment. I saw it as the mama lion doing anything to protect her baby (or baby doll in this case). Heh. We can't have her go all girly and wishy washy because then she'd be accused of being weak. I love the way they've changed her attitude toward the military. My hubby is a former Marine, and we have tons of military and former military friends. I know how the military thinks and how they serve with honor and pride. The writers have done an excellent job of protraying these qualities in Sheppard, or maybe we have JF to thank for the character choices.

I think the director must give the actors a lot of leeway to play things how they think they should. If actors have chemistry and that leeway is available, they'll usually give the audience something good even when the scripts aren't all that shippy.

After listening to him on the commentary for The Rising DVD, I realized that he has a lot of clout and makes a lot of decisions about his character. I hope that is continuing because he seems to have a lot of common sense, and OK my face is red but I admit to being surprised at how smart he is. Sorry for being judgmental of actors, but they usually don't impress me with their education and number of brain cells. I've talked a little bit with a rocket scientist friend who's an SGA fan. He's also a USAF major with a cowlick, but the resemblance ends there. Anyway, he gave me a blank look when I mentioned the romance angle and started one of his rambling Rodney-like replies which I tuned out The bottom line is the old guard Sci Fi crowd doesn't even see it. Yet. And will probably wander off if it turns into a soap opera, so slow and steady will win the day.

Very interesting how smart Joe is. He looks like a sharp guy to me though and that bleeds through in his portrayal of John. It appears that John hides a lot of his intelligence but it is obvious that Elizabeth and others can see it. I like that aspect of the character. He has his reasons...makes him multi-layered.

As for the 'romance angle'...pure Sci-fi people (men mostly) NEVER want to see the human aspect of things. I think TPTB wanted to show more than hack and slay. Why even put Dr. Weir in the cast if not? Why not just put four BA men out slaying wraith constantly if that is all it takes to make a good show? It simply takes much more whether the testosterone laden sci-fi 'purists' want to admit it or not. Nobody wants it to be a soap opera. There are plenty of those on if that is the kind of shallow relationship we wanted to watch be built. While I want John and Elizabeth to eventually reach the point of intimacy, as lead commanders of a horridly dangerous mission, they have a lot on their plate and a ways to go before they get there. Half the fun is watching them edge toward each other in their pursuits.

-Bama ; )

**LadyF** · 03 August 2005, 09:00 AM

Originally posted by Bama

LOL! Teachers are people too. I taught for 12 years before going into adminstration. I know where you're coming from. ; )

I like Joe a lot from what little I've seen of him. I think, since this is a JOHN/ELIZABETH thread and we've certainly been gushing over the female side of that duo lately, that it is surely OK to indulge ourselves in a little harmless John/Joe gushing here. ; ) I'm very much looking forward to the ep he directed.

-Bama ; )

Joe did not direct the episode Epihany (sp?) but he did come up with the story and help write it. It gives

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As for "The Tower"

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Unfortunately we won't know until next year since it shows after the winter hiatus.

**Rubicon** · 03 August 2005, 09:00 AM

Good no directing! The director just isnt in front of the camera enough during the ep. So yeah! for the no directing!

**Rubicon** · 03 August 2005, 09:06 AM

Ok shippers can some of 'yall 'splain it to them?

http://forum.gateworld.net/showthread.php?t=13508

Sorry double post!

**Bama** · 03 August 2005, 09:26 AM

Originally posted by Rubicon

Ok shippers can some of 'yall 'splain it to them?

http://forum.gateworld.net/showthread.php?t=13508

Sorry double post!

I gave it a quick try before heading to the office but in my experience, I've found that if a 'no romo' has his mind made up that shippers are trying to ruin 'his' show, that little can be done to persuade them to think otherwise.

-Bama ; )

**xkawaiix** · 03 August 2005, 09:33 AM

A quick try??? Bama, that post was sooo true! You really hit it striaght on! :applause:

**Melyanna** · 03 August 2005, 09:43 AM

Guys, let's not get too worked up over the information on The Tower. We really don't know much about it, as GW tends to be rather cagey about spoilers. They don't generally give out any information past the halfway point of an episode.

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Should be an interesting episode. Hopefully I'll have the sides and be able to give you guys a comprehensive rundown by the end of the week.

**SallyLizzie** · 03 August 2005, 09:48 AM

Unfortunately we won't know until next year since it shows after the winter hiatus.

Ooo, so that means that us Brits get it first then

I enjoy the commentaries, particually the ones by MW, PDL, AT + GJ, so i'm looking forward to the SGA ones.

OT but as we're sharing..

I served loads of teachers when i worked in the off-license and a couple came into the pub i worked in when i was 15. Most of them live local. Two of them used to date and my friend had to babysit bc she lived next door, and one time Mr. Walker came down in just his boxers (not knowing she was there yet)

........which reminds me of a cute fic i read once where John walked in on Liz getting out the showers (wrapped in a towel) then she walked in on him starkers in his room

It appears that John hides a lot of his intelligence but it is obvious that Elizabeth and others can see it. I like that aspect of the character. He has his reasons...makes him multi-layered.

I don't think he hides it, i think that he just doesn't show it off, ie McKay. It's nice to see that despite his high IQ that he is still level-headed and can joke around/socialise without coming across as being condescending.

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Is it too early to squee?

**xkawaiix** · 03 August 2005, 10:00 AM

Originally posted by SallyLizzie

Is it too early to squee?

Squee!!!!!!

Nope, now's fine I think...

**Bama** · 03 August 2005, 01:13 PM

Originally posted by Melyanna

Guys, let's not get too worked up over the information on The Tower. We really don't know much about it, as GW tends to be rather cagey about spoilers. They don't generally give out any information past the halfway point of an episode.

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Should be an interesting episode. Hopefully I'll have the sides and be able to give you guys a comprehensive rundown by the end of the week.

I refuse to get 'worked up' about a spoiler until I see something good actually happen on screen. ; ) Hopefully, we'll get some touchage or major gazeage at least. And I agree that if

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-Bama

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