Elizabeth Weir/John Sheppard Appreciation/Ship/Discussion Thread

[CountryJoy]

Made a sparky vid. I'd figured youtube is easier than downloading. But just in case youtube is evil again and takes it down.
Girl-Jim Sturgess(Across The Universe soundtrack)
Spoilers up to Lifeline.

Download. It's a .mov file though.
http://www.mediafire.com/?4ckx2jmx1mj

http://youtube.com/watch?v=rM5o3A9DiLA

Sooo good! Heart-wrenching.
Can you post a link to an old vid I think you did -- the String Orchestra's version of "Dance Dance" with the episode "The Long Goodbye"? I tried to download it somewhere a long time ago, but it didn't fully download. Pretty please?

And as LadyBozi pointed out earlier in the thread, I don't care what the anti-Sparky people say. They are so in love with one another, they don't even know it.

And Anuna, this passage about love from the Bible comes to mind.

Love is patient, and love is kind
Love does not envy, love does not parade itself, is not puffed up.
It does not behave rudely, nor does it seek its own.
Love is not provoked, thinks no evil.
It does not rejoice in iniquity, but rejoices in the truth.
Love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.
Love never fails

And on that note, I believe that Sparky will endure.

Indeed. (To all of the above.)

*pokes thread* Where is everyone?

I have a gift for you all, the next chapter of my AU version of Season 4.

Everlasting Chapter 20: Remember the Lost Please take the time to read and review and lemme know what you think!

Have I ever told you I adore this fic?? And the surprise when Kolya suddenly showed up again-- so intense! Luv it! I'm always super thrilled when I notice you've updated. Keep up the great work!

Sparky songs?

Sweet:
"Paperweight" - Schuyler Fisk & Joshua Radin

Spoiler:

Been up all night staring at you
wondering what's on your mind
i've been this way with so many before
but this feels like the first time
you want the sunrise to go back to bed
i want to make you laugh

mess up my bed with me
kick off the covers i'm waiting
every word you say i think
i should write down
don't want to forget come daylight

happy to lay here
just happy to be here
i'm happy to know you
play me a song
your newest one
please leave your taste on my tongue

paperweight on my back
cover me like a blanket
mess up my bed with me
kick off the covers i'm waiting
every word you say i think
i should write down
don't want to forget come daylight

and no need to worry
that's wastin time
and no need to wonder
what's been on my mind
it's you
it's you
it's you

every word you say i think
i should write down
don't want to forget come daylight
and i give up
i let you win
you win cause i'm not counting

you made it back
to sleep again
wonder what you're dreaming

Angsty:
"Reason Why" - Rachael Yamagata

Spoiler:

...
So, I will head out alone and hope for the best
And we can hang out heads down
As we skip the goodbyes
And you can tell the world what you want them to hear
I've got nothing left to lose, my dear
So, I'm up for the little white lies
But you and I know the reason why
I'm gone, and you're still there
I'm gone, and you're still there
I'm gone, and you're still there
...
So, I will head out alone and hope for the best
We can pat ourselves on the back
As say that we tried
And if one of us makes it big
We can spill our regrets
And talk about how the love never dies
But you and I know the reason why
I'm gone, and you're still there
I'm gone, and you're still there
I'm gone, and you're still there

Hopeful:
"Wherever You Are" - Jack Ingram

Spoiler:

This desert wind is burnin’ my face again
God I’m missin’ you
Been runnin’ blind under a broken sky
With regrets I was sorting through
But lesson learned baby
I’ve made the turn

Wherever you are
No matter how far
Girl I’m gonna find my way to you
Through rivers of rain
Over mountains of pain
Do whatever on earth I’ve gotta do
I’ll follow the dream I’ll follow my heart
Girl I’ve gotta be
Wherever you are

So many miles to where we said goodbye
To the street of shattered dreams
I’m prayin’ hard you didn’t start a life
With someone who’s not me
And if you’re just gone
Girl I’ll be movin’ on

(Chorus)

Let the sunrise find me searchin’
Let the west wind carry my plea
Give this changed man one more last chance
Open your arms to me

Wherever you are
Through rivers of rain
Over mountains of pain
Do whatever on earth I’ve gotta do
I’ll follow the dream I’ll follow my heart
Girl I’ve gotta be
Wherever you are
Wherever you are
Wherever you are

Angsty/Hopeful:
"Everlasting Friend" - Blue October

Spoiler:

A heartbeat skip, relationship
Inside a bubble bath
An icing drip below your lip
So we undo the math
A sudden slip between
My pathetic sedatives
A real-life script of how
Mistakes became our medicine, so

Delay the hurtful words
Of complicated overcast
Please take the message that I'm
Picking up my chin at last
I said my confidence
It gets stronger when you're next to me
But we pray from miles away
In quest for what we long to be

I might crumble, I might take a fall again
(Still missing you)
I might crumble, I might take a fall again
(Still missing you)
I might crumble, I might take a fall again
But you're my everlasting friend
Everlasting friend

...

Will you be coming home?
(Everlasting friend)
My everlasting friend, will you be coming home?
(Everlasting friend)

...

I just want to know that you'll be coming home
I just want to know that you'll be coming home
I just want to know that you'll be coming home
I just want to know that you'll be coming home

[justhere1971]

Made a sparky vid. I'd figured youtube is easier than downloading. But just in case youtube is evil again and takes it down.
Girl-Jim Sturgess(Across The Universe soundtrack)
Spoilers up to Lifeline.

Download. It's a .mov file though.
http://www.mediafire.com/?4ckx2jmx1mj

http://youtube.com/watch?v=rM5o3A9DiLA

Stupid thing won't let me green you. grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

Mental green. I loved it!

[justhere1971]

One last vid rec before I hit the sack:

http://snipurl.com/1rxu9

Song: Here without you by 3 Doors Down.

And the funniest one ever: http://youtube.com/watch?v=aS4RLbWxsag

[Ruined_puzzle]

Sooo good! Heart-wrenching.
Can you post a link to an old vid I think you did -- the String Orchestra's version of "Dance Dance" with the episode "The Long Goodbye"? I tried to download it somewhere a long time ago, but it didn't fully download. Pretty please?

Yes that was my video. Youtube deleted it and my account when there was the mass deleting of SGA videos.
Download it.
http://www.mediafire.com/?8hxh93uf2m1
Watch it
Dance, dance

Thanks for the greens/mental greens and comments guys.

[tricia]

One love quote that comes to mind is from Shakespeare's sonnet 116 the part that says "Love is not love which alters when its alteration finds, or bends with the remover to remove, O no it is an ever-fixed mark that looks on tempests and is never shaken".

I love that it really applies to John and Elizabeth too.

[borgprincess]

Ha, poetry now? We are so literate here. And that Bible passage is so heartwarming.

Tricia, that Shakespeare quote is one I've always liked, though it confuses me. 'which alters when it alteration finds'- so is that 'you don't try to change the person you love even if you come across a flaw in them', or something? And 'bends with the remover to remove'- so, if someone's telling you to change and you do it for them, then that's not love either? I just find it hard to understand, sometimes, pardon my ignorance.

Someone here had a sig about 'you bring color to my life' and it reminded me of this poem:

Spoiler:

Colours

When your face
appeared over my crumpled life
at first I understood
only the poverty of what I have.
Then its particular light
on woods, on rivers, on the sea,
became my beginning in the coloured world
in which I had not yet had my beginning. I am so
frightened, I am so frightened,
of the unexpected sunrise finishing,
of revelations
and tears and the excitement finishing.
I don't fight it, my love is this fear,
I nourish it who can nourish nothing,
love's slipshod watchman.
Fear hems me in.
I am conscious that these minutes are short
and that the colours in my eyes will vanish
when your face sets.
-Yevgeny Yevtushenko

Thanks to whoever provided the link to Dana’s fic on how the others might reunite with Elizabeth. The fic made the point that:

Spoiler:

even if Elizabeth broke free of the Asurans and escaped them, she wouldn’t be able to find Atlantis because obviously, the city’s upped and flown off somewhere again. It just strikes me as really sad that she might be looking for them and wouldn’t have the first idea where to search and she could go the rest of her life never finding them.

[Hey, do the nanites mean she’s immortal? They can repair her cells, or whatever it is that makes us age, can’t they?]

But even if she did discover their location, she wouldn’t have a GDO or valid code or anything to transmit to get them to lower the forcefield.

Which reminds me of one quibble: in SGA, Chuck’s always saying, ‘Receiving Colonel Sheppard’s IDC’ etc. etc. and yet I never *see* the characters holding any device to transmit a code. I watched Lost Boys and McKay was clearly not holding anything, he was way too high, could barely punch out the address and all, yet Chuck still somehow received his IDC. Hmm.

Now, I was just a little deflated by the end of Elizabeth’s two eps and the wait til the next two [or two and half], so I revisited Rising, where it all began. I know that when Sumner told Shep to remember who was boss and he smart-assed, ‘That would be Dr Weir,’ that it was more to irritate Sumner [who was definitely not amused], but I did like that he brought up her leadership. Sumner might have assumed authority, but Shep did his best to dint him a little. Mainly to be a pain, but still in defense of Elizabeth. And later on, when she picked up the bottle that O’Neill sent through the gate, she turned to find him watching her from the balcony and they had this little ‘head-nod of telepathic communication’ going on. Possibly the first eyesex in the series! Sometimes I wonder whether the actor throws in little flourishes, or if it’s in some rigorously scripted stage instructions, but I like that when Shep goes off-world later on, the soldiers are moving through the gate but he pauses, looks back and waves to her which is SO cute. It’s like he knows how worried she is and he’s trying to reassure her. It wasn’t cocky or anything, not a smug ‘hee, look at meee! Going off-world!’, he looked solemn, and I just liked the gesture. That innocence seems so far removed from LL. *sighs*

[SoulSpinder]

'ello fellow sparkies! I just got back from a vacation this afternoon, and I don't have time to finish all the pages of wonderful comments I missed right now, but I wanted to share something with you.

My wonderful and glorious roommate brought me back a small gift, a pack of SGA season 2 cards. and if you haven't seen them, the (a?) cover is much to our delight.



Also wanted to let you know I'm working my way through a 2nd SGA book and have been taking sparky notes. ^.^ I'll have that sparky analysis for you as soon as I can, but as a warning school's kicking up again.

[atlantis_babe34]

Ahoy fair sparkers!!
i come bearing sparky song lyrics

Spoiler:

Ana's Song (Open Fire)
Please die Ana
For as long as you're here we're not
You make the sound of laughter
and sharpened nails seem softer
And I need you now somehow
And I need you now somehow

Open fire on the needs designed
On my knees for you
Open fire on my knees desires
What I need from you

Imagine pageant
In my head the flesh seems thicker
Sandpaper tears corrode the film

And I need you now somehow
And I need you now somehow

Open fire on the needs designed
On my knees for you
Open fire on my knees desires
What I need from you

And you're my obsession
I love you to the bones
And Ana wrecks your life
Like an Anorexia life

Open fire on the needs designed
On my knees for you
Open fire on my knees desires
What I need from you
Open fire on the needs designed
Open fire on my knees desires
On my knees for you

also this song tooo

Spoiler:

Across The Night
Across the night
It was the moon that stole my slumber
Across the night
I fell in love with people sleeping
And hugged a man's arthritic shoulder

I fell tired, asleep in a golden ocean
Your eyes perspired, a spike in my fascination

I don't mean to make you cry
But this feeling will run right through the night
And I'll only make you cry with these feelings

Sleepless, untamed without a leash on the light around me

So let us be married and have another baby
Coz I don't wanna be lonely I just wanna be alone
Yeh let's just get married shouting baby, baby, babies
"You'll never sleep at all"
But I don't wanna be lonely

Never seen the sunshine
From higher points than sunrise
I don't wanna be lonely
I just wanna be alone

[ddc]

I've been on vacation and am finally making progress in watching all the shows I'd had to record while away. Watched Adrift & Lifeline over the weekend. Short take, good but extremely sad episodes.

Spoiler:

I really feel sorry for John. It may have just hit him how much Elizabeth really means to him now that she's gone.

My take on a couple of points others have made.

... I think there's a separate thread to discuss how season 4 will affect sparky! but, I think it's valid here. It occured to me that Weir's situation could be very GOOD for our pairing, actually.

Spoiler:

When (yes, when) we get 'Lizbeth back, the chances of the military/IOA letting her back in charge soon is...rare. However due to possible medical complications that could arise were she away too long they might keep her on atlantis as a co-administrator type person. Why is this awesome? If she's no longer the boss and there, there goes her: "I don't date those I'm in charge of" excuse!

So by the time she gets reinstated, it will be too late to call it a quits with John! ^.^ Hehe..

Spoiler:

Agree that she wouldn't be put back in charge if, WHEN, she returns. My guess is we'll see some Dark Elizabeth, having succumbed to Replicator control, but she's rescued & reprogrammed. There's no way the IOA will allow her to run the expedition after that. Or even live on Earth; not just potential security issues, but what if she were in a car accident or something else, her blood and medical scans would raise a whole lot of red flags. She would be an asset on Johns team, doing the linguistic/negotiation stuff but also able to hack into computers, heal herself, etc. Basically Atlantis's version of the Bionic Woman.

[/SPOILER]

Thanks to whoever provided the link to Dana’s fic on how the others might reunite with Elizabeth. The fic made the point that:

Spoiler:

even if Elizabeth broke free of the Asurans and escaped them, she wouldn’t be able to find Atlantis because obviously, the city’s upped and flown off somewhere again. It just strikes me as really sad that she might be looking for them and wouldn’t have the first idea where to search and she could go the rest of her life never finding them.

[Hey, do the nanites mean she’s immortal? They can repair her cells, or whatever it is that makes us age, can’t they?]

But even if she did discover their location, she wouldn’t have a GDO or valid code or anything to transmit to get them to lower the forcefield.

Spoiler:

If she manages to get away I imagine she'd head for one of the planets they regularly trade with or one of the Alpha sites, then wait. As for immortality, she'll probably be able to live way beyond a normal life span, but I'd guess eventually she'd want to move on and ascend (she is still part human).

[dana]

[Anuna]

*gasps*

Dana, what are you doin' here? Woohooo, long time no see!

[dana]

*gasps*

Dana, what are you doin' here? Woohooo, long time no see!

Hey, you see me almost every day. just not here

Cut for size:

Spoiler:

[Anuna]

Ooooh that picture!!!

That's sooo good! I think it's good you decided to drop by

[atlantis_babe34]

morning.... its extreamly quiet in here all of a sudden.. come back sparky peeps!

[Anuna]

I'm here but about to hit the sack. meanwhile Anji has some beta reading to do... and whe she's done, you'll get yourself a new series I started... it won't be long, but I think it will be heck of a ride. i plan to rewrite S4 - Southern Red you gave me the idea again.

Prepare hankies guys, just in case. And bear in mind just how evil i can be.