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Originally posted by Onealwasoverrated View PostWoolsie was an SG1 character although not a regular. I always liked Lorne. He was kind of like Ford 2.0
Originally posted by JT-2 View PostNCIS is a JAG spin-off, and they didn't need guest appearances. NCIS far surpassed JAG in terms of ratings.
In the case of Atlantis, it was very tightly connected to SG-1, hence crossovers were just inevitable. It is just silly to be mad the a spin off dare feature characters from the parent show.
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Star Trek: Deep Space Nine inherited two characters from The Next Generation. It made DS9 all the better. I don't get why people are so reluctant to embrace SG-1 characters as guest stars on Atlantis.
SGA had an equal cast and after 10 years of the SG1 crew it was really time to pass the torch. Some may also look at the appearances as a sign of weakness. Personally I liked as many SG1 guest stars as possible because I wasn't that crazy about SGA in the later seasons and felt like the SG1 guests broke up the repetition of Super Mckay.
Another reason, it's a BBS board. People argueTodd: Fish in a pond, busy busy, lots to do, here and there. Dry as a desert outside, no place to go. Eat up, get stronger, think and hope, think and hope. Don't look now! Oh, keep dreaming. There must be some other reason for your existence. Defiance tastes like life itself. No river. No water. Die in the desert. Dirt is all around. The harvest moon is rising. Wraith are never-ending. I know the future. Come inside. I'll show you your Destiny... John Sheppard.
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Originally posted by Onealwasoverrated View PostDS9 was a very different situation. For one thing TNG didn't run for 10 years, so the people wanted more Worf, and didn't really know too much about O'Brien. Those two were brought in because they needed a job I assume and to kick the ratings up on DS9. DS9 was almost or did eventually get cancelled. I can't remember.
SGA had an equal cast and after 10 years of the SG1 crew it was really time to pass the torch. Some may also look at the appearances as a sign of weakness. Personally I liked as many SG1 guest stars as possible because I wasn't that crazy about SGA in the later seasons and felt like the SG1 guests broke up the repetition of Super Mckay.
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Originally posted by Snowman37 View PostTNG lasted 7 years, 15 if you include the movies. O'Brien was a popular recurring character on TNG, the transporter chief. When developing DS9, he was brought over as a full time character, the chief of operations. Due to the third season's ratings decline, Worf was brought on for the fourth season. Michael Dorn was interested in reprising the role, the writers thought it would add to the series, and it would draw in TNG viewers. Win, win, right? However, you're wrong about Colm Meaney (O'Brien) and Michael Dorn (Worf) needing jobs. Meaney is a very successful actor (he didn't need DS9) and Dorn was doing TNG movies (he didn't need DS9 either).
Well, when SGA began, SG-1 had only been on for seven years. The writers wanted to pass the torch, but SciFi wanted to have both shows on simultaneously. I loved it whenever an SG-1 character popped up. I like the Atlantis cast (except McKay). If anything, crossovers enhanced the show. I wish there'd been more SGA crossovers on the SG-1 side of the coin. We did get to see McKay show up several times on SG-1 after he was reintroduced on Atlantis, though. There was also "The Pegasus Project," one of SG-1's best episodes. The only crossover that seemed in your face was Carter replacing Weir in the fourth season. Woolsey's role in the fifth season was far less intrusive as he was just a recurring character prior.Todd: Fish in a pond, busy busy, lots to do, here and there. Dry as a desert outside, no place to go. Eat up, get stronger, think and hope, think and hope. Don't look now! Oh, keep dreaming. There must be some other reason for your existence. Defiance tastes like life itself. No river. No water. Die in the desert. Dirt is all around. The harvest moon is rising. Wraith are never-ending. I know the future. Come inside. I'll show you your Destiny... John Sheppard.
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No, having more of the SG-1 characters included in SGA would have done more harm than good because SGA's quality started dropping as soon as the writers connected it with Earth. When that happened, we went from a kick-ass Season 1 that was full of promise to a series that was frequently a lazy rehash of SG-1 episodes. As time went on, the lines between the 2 series continued to blur, which didn't do either series any good, IMO.
In addition, of the crossover episodes, I only liked one from beginning to end, Midway, because that the only crossover that fully incorporated SGA characters. The other crossovers spent way too much time on the SG-1 characters and because I'm more of an SGA fan than an SG-1 fan, I resented the hell out of that.
So, as much as I've enjoyed Jack over the years, he belonged on SG-1, not on SGA in any significant manner. As others have mentioned, there were too many overlooked, lightly used SGA characters that I would much rather have gotten more attention than SG-1 characters. Those SG-1 characters had already had their time in the sun and the writers should have stopped using them as crutches to cover their creative burn out.
SGA needed fresh ideas and to concentrate on its characters not SG-1 characters. Unfortunately, in order to have this, SGA would have needed writers who were willing and able to see both shows as separate and distinct even though they were within the same franchise. As such, SGA should have had its own writer/producers - independent of BW because he was too stuck on SG-1 to fully realize SGA's potential. SGA had so much to offer and Rising remains one of the best beginnings of a series that I've ever seen, but it's a shame that by Season 2 the writers tried to turn it into a copy of SG-1.sigpic
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Originally posted by maxbo View PostUnfortunately, in order to have this, SGA would have needed writers who were willing and able to see both shows as separate and distinct even though they were within the same franchise. As such, SGA should have had its own writer/producers - independent of BW
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Originally posted by Snowman37 View PostAs for focusing on characters such as Cadman and Lorne... eh... they were boring. SGA had a lot of great recurring characters. Cadman was good for a cheap laugh (the hiccup girl?). Lorne was good for leading a team when Sheppard wasn't present, but that's about it.
Originally posted by Snowman37 View PostIn the case of Atlantis, it was very tightly connected to SG-1, hence crossovers were just inevitable.Blue is such a nice color, especially if you have wings.
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Originally posted by Skie View PostCadman was the one merging with McKay in DUET.
And they weren't boring, IMO they had a lot of potential. But of course they are starting to get boring if you give them nothing to work with and you see them only in the same settings/similar scenes talking basic stuff like to inform the viewers about what's happening.
Unfortunately Sheppard's team always did the important things. For example, it would have been great if they had let Lorne's team to rescue Teyla in S&R because Shepp was badly injured. But instead we get that ridiculous scene were Shepp gets out of the infirmary, miraculously "healed" enough to lead his team.
I don't see why it is inevitable to see them. TPTB could just mention them if needed. Now, I don't mind seeing them once but it is only inevitable if you run out of story lines and need them as crutches as maxbo said.
As a writer developing three novels and more stories on the back burner, I am also found of using characters in multiple stories.
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Originally posted by Snowman37 View PostBy far the worst episode of the series. I missed it when it first aired. This spring, I revisited Season 2 on DVD and saw "Duet" for the first time. I barely made it through the episode.
Originally posted by Snowman37 View PostHence, boring.
Originally posted by Snowman37 View PostSheppard is the main character, hence he's going to be the one to star in the season premiere and rescue Teyla. The problem with the episode is that they wrote Sheppard as being very badly injured. When he goes to rescue Teyla, it broke suspension of disbelief. What they were going for is Sheppard loosing Ford to the Wraith enzyme addiction. He didn't want to loose Teyla to Michael, it would have been Ford all over again. It screwed with his head. I actually liked the way it played out. As for Lorne, my problem with the character is that he was very bland. Kavan Smith may be a good actor, but I just can't think of a single episode where Lorne made me think, "Wow, this guy is great, he should have a larger role
Of course not, he didn't have anything great to play. Just think if he would have been the one in RISING going after the Wraith and shoot Sumner. Wouldn't that made him interesting?
Originally posted by Snowman37 View PostWhy is it inevitable? When a writing team is writing for two TV shows set in the same creative world, they are often going to want to use characters on both shows. If the writers want to use SG-1 characters on SGA, then it will happen.Last edited by Skie; 28 May 2011, 09:10 AM.Blue is such a nice color, especially if you have wings.
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Originally posted by Snowman37 View PostThat's just it, though... it was basically one production team working on both shows. At the end of the day, Atlantis had direct ties to SG-1, hence SG-1 characters popping in now and then was inevitable. You don't have to like it, but this is the nature of a spin-off series.
I see others have already mentioned how Stargate should have followed the JAG to NCIS transition. And, CSI and Law and Order also good examples of how to handle spinoffs. In each case, the writer/producers of the spinoffs didn't use the originals as a crutch. As a result, each spin off just became more distinct as the seasons passed (the reverse of what happened with SGA).
In fact, I didn't realize until just a couple of years ago that NCIS was a JAG spin-off and, the only way I knew the Law & Order spin-offs were spin-offs was because Law & Order was in the titles of the spin-offs. That's how you handle spin-offs.
Originally posted by Skie View PostCadman was the one merging with McKay in DUET. And they weren't boring, IMO they had a lot of potential. But of course they are starting to get boring if you give them nothing to work with and you see them only in the same settings/similar scenes talking basic stuff like to inform the viewers about what's happening. Unfortunately Sheppard's team always did the important things. For example, it would have been great if they had let Lorne's team to rescue Teyla in S&R because Shepp was badly injured. But instead we get that ridiculous scene were Shepp gets out of the infirmary, miraculously "healed" enough to lead his team.
I don't see why it is inevitable to see them. TPTB could just mention them if needed. Now, I don't mind seeing them once but it is only inevitable if you run out of story lines and need them as crutches as maxbo said.
Especially, when adding the SG-1 characters rarely had got the results the writers were looking for. For instance, I remember SG-1 fans being irritated that Jack was used in 2 SGA episodes when they were hoping to see him in SG-1 episodes with the other SG-1 characters. So, SGA fans ended up being annoyed that so much time was devoted to Jack and Woolsey and SG-1 fans were annoyed that 2 of Jack's available episodes were "wasted" on SGA instead of SG-1.sigpic
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