Siege 3 discussion with spoilers.

[RalCaladan]

Daedalus not carry enough Marines, its at least by all spoiler info twice the size of the Prometheus, and by the looks of the diagrams in Moebius.

Really? I'd heard essentially the opposite, that Daedulus was roughly the same size hull as Prometheus. I think you may be getting a little enthusiastic with the idea of 200 pilots, as that would mean 100 F-302s, which seems kind of high. And I recall nothing from Moebius indicating scale on that diagram.

I wasn't saying they couldn't beam out a Wraith, I was just saying that hundreds of Wraith all at once seems a lot harder to do.

Also, by recharge, I meant rebuild the drones. I figure that the ZPM does that automatically, drawing ZPM power, but the MkII generator had only enough power to run the chair, not refill drones. And I assume the Ancients never bothered to refill it, as it couldn't be used from the bottom of the ocean (which is pure speculation)

[SGRanger06]

Anyone ever stop to wonder how exactly the Drones are powered? I mean the ZPM is def. the power source, but it's like wireless powering...interesting.

[not so ancient]

Anyone ever stop to wonder how exactly the Drones are powered? I mean the ZPM is def. the power source, but it's like wireless powering...interesting.

The guidance is from The Chair. Sheppard fired up the Chair with sooped up naquadah power, which might go into the drones. Or the drones look capable of having a small power source inside them, not to mention an explosive charge. Kind of like Teal'c's staff weapon.

[not so ancient]

ok new theory:
the daedalus arrives and transports Shep on board
with the zpm boosting shields and weapons they manage to destroy the 2 hive ships but still many darts remain and the armada is on the way
they transport the zpm to atlantis and transport all non military personnel to the daedalus
they raise the shields and then blow up the nukes in the atmosphere
the darts are destroyed and the armada thinks they blew up atlantis!
the daedalus flees
the wraith fleet retreats thinking atlantis is toast
back on atlantis they take care of the wraith inside the city

This makes the most sense. The only way the Wraith will relent is if they think the Atlantis gate to Earth - and all information about Earth - is destroyed and they can't get to their rich new feeding ground. Faking Atlantis's destruction will have to be key. Sinking it is not an option, so says Gero, but something has got to give the Wraith the idea that Atlantis is toast. All the Wraith who beamed into Atlantis have to die, and die convincingly, in order to give the hive-mind link back to the Armada that same information.

If the Daedalus has beaming technology, I say they they should target the Wraith life signs on Atlantis and beam those @#$&ers right into the nuke blast's epicenter. Wraith go boom. The Wraith back on the hive ships will get a migraine. Alas.

[SGRanger06]

Thanks for the explination of the Drones..I should have known that haha. I do have another question, how exactly will the ZPM boost the weapons. Correct me if im wrong, but arent the railguns the only weapons we know the Daedalus has?

[mikeoftulsa]

to the best of my knowledge we dont know anything about the weapon capablities of it......and there was no mention that im aware of stating that the rail guns are on it.....jus that the ones they brought were slated to be used on the prometheus....

[SGRanger06]

Mitch Pileggi said this in an interview with GateWorld,

"It's really daunting, because you have to memorize all this stuff over all these pages," Pileggi said. "There's lights flashing and smoke is coming out, and we're getting hit and shooting stuff. And I'm getting to throw out these commands, 'Fire forward rail guns at will!' The battle sequences are really cool."
That's where I got my assumption that the Daedalus has railguns.


(heres the link to the whole article thingy, http://www.gateworld.net/news/2005/0...lantisic.shtml)

[Ancient_Rilus]

Really? I'd heard essentially the opposite, that Daedulus was roughly the same size hull as Prometheus. I think you may be getting a little enthusiastic with the idea of 200 pilots, as that would mean 100 F-302s, which seems kind of high. And I recall nothing from Moebius indicating scale on that diagram.

I wasn't saying they couldn't beam out a Wraith, I was just saying that hundreds of Wraith all at once seems a lot harder to do.

Also, by recharge, I meant rebuild the drones. I figure that the ZPM does that automatically, drawing ZPM power, but the MkII generator had only enough power to run the chair, not refill drones. And I assume the Ancients never bothered to refill it, as it couldn't be used from the bottom of the ocean (which is pure speculation)

In a previous thread there have been links to the concept designs for the Daedalus by the graphic artists for SG1 shown before Moebius and and the same diagrams shown in Moebius. On the concept art it shows several footnotes refering to the Daedalus on size, one states double Prometheus and what eveything is meant to be. As the concept design diagrams and actual diagrams shown in Moebius are essentially the same diagrams, just with the footnotes removed. The Daedalus has Asgard based engines too which are going to be way bigger than Prometheus', which is a starting point to scale from on the diagrams also. Just because a ship is sister ship doesnt automatically make them the same size, just based on similar designs. Also if Daedalus was the same size as Prometheus what would be the point making the Daedalus, it would be cheaper and more efficient just to upgrade Prometheus to the same spec, than build a whole new ship. It would make more sense for the Prometheus to be the prototype for the Daedalus design. Also they're meant to be upgrading Prometheus at the moment however it aint ready nor is it getting engines the same as the Daedalus (The Daedalus got its engine cos of the number of times we've saved the Asgard and they've strip Promethus of its upgrades the railguns). Oh and finally in a spoiler for "THE TIES THAT BIND" Washington is asked for the construction of more Daedalus class ships not Prometheus, which all suggests the two ships are different class types otherwise they have just asked for more F-303s built to the new specifications.

100 F-302s kind of high , come on. Is that high when Promethus has been said to carry 40-50 F-302s. If the Daedalus is going to be twice the size of the Promethus then doubling the F-302 squadron would make sense.
And with the Daedalus being the last hope for Atlantis and Earth I think they'll probably taken all of Prometheus' F-302 to add to Daedalus as we know they've already taken Prometheus new railguns off her and installed them in Atlantis.

Why would beaming all the Wraith be harder to do, full Asgard type
beam technology allows to beam multiple targets, thats one of the advantages over the old tagging beam technology, as well as not having to use tags.

[SGRanger06]

Although you make a good point, I find it hard to beleive that there are 100 or so F-302's on the Daedalus. I think I remeber reading something in the SCIFI Magazine that there are only 18 or some number way smaller than 100. But I don't have anything to back that statement up.

[Jarnin]

In a previous thread there have been links to the concept designs for the Daedalus by the graphic artists for SG1 shown before Moebius and and the same diagrams shown in Moebius.

What thread? Can you link it?

100 F-302s kind of high , come on. Is that high when Promethus has been said to carry 40-50 F-302s. If the Daedalus is going to be twice the size of the Promethus then doubling the F-302 squadron would make sense.

According to the episode "Disclosure" from SG-1 season 6, the BC-303 carries 8 F-302s. If Daedalus is twice the size, it might have 16 302s on it.

[White Knight]

Its entirely possible that Atlantis has one of the Lagarian-point-satellite weapons on it somewhere, and we simpley don't know about it because its tucked away in some hidden corner of the city and can't be turned on without the ZPM.

[Ganjaman]

Lagarian? I wonder if the tollan space cannon tech would be effective against wraith ships. we should have at least taken the specs for it or taken one cannon while we investigated omar's death and finding out about tanith.

[kirmit]

rite here's my idea, the daedalus will arrive and take out the two remaining hive ships, then the bigger fleet arrives and damages the daudalus. It has to desperately land and looks as if it will crash, the hive ships see it go down hard. As this is happening the zpm has sumhow bin beamed down to atlantis and Rodney is in the process of installing it, he puts it in but nothing happens, there must be an on switch or sumthing. So now we have this dialema with rodney trying to get it to work and he does it sumhow. Atlantis has detected that the daedlus is goin to crash and use sum kind of a tractor beam to dock it on atlantis. With everyone safe they sink the city along with the daedalus, The hive ships think that the daedalus has crashed into atlantis and sunk it. Other parts i don't no yet like how they get the wraith off atlantis and take care of all the wraith darts.

[not so ancient]

Tomcatter, the railguns on Atlantis were meant for Prometheus.

Wait a minute. I'm confused as to what you're saying.

When you say 'the railguns were meant for Prometheus' do you mean those guns were originally being shipped to Atlantis on Prometheus and when Prometheus got all beat up and had to limp home the shipment went on the Daedalus instead?

Or were the rail guns a part of Prometheus's equipment that they salvaged off the ship and then sent through the gate with Everett?

Rail guns are hella cool for what they do but they did not strike me as being something that you'd mount on a space ship for the space ship to fire at another space ship. I'm looking to Asgard technology for that sort of ship vs. ship weaponry.

[Wass]

As I've said once before, I would like to see the Dedalus destroy the hive ships, land on Atlantis, and then the wraith fleet arrives, but Atlantis has its sheild up, so the wraith beseige Atlantis for a few episodes, while the team use the gate to search for a wepon to get rid of the wraith.

Of course from what the spoilers say I doubt this will happen now.

That would be too predictable I’m glade they are not going down that route, a bigger fleet of wraith ships arriving is nice unexpected twist.