Deep Space 9 Superior

[nx01a]

I get what you're saying, Jel. There're a heck of alot of unknowns on a Gamma Quadrant heading than on a Beta Quadrant heading. Heading for the BQ, they'd eventually pass through Romulan/Klingon space. Heading for the GQ, they'd spend more time in the dangerous and completely unknown. At least we know the Romulans might let them through under heavy Warbird escort.

[the Fifth Race]

Happy Birthday Brother ./freelancer. We miss you around here my good friend. I hope life is treating you and your family well. I hope to see you back on GW and the superior thread one day.

[jelgate]

So true, Jelgate.



I don't get it...
(shrug)

brother nx01a summed it what I was trying to say.

[Starbase]

Happy Birthday Brother ./freelancer. We miss you around here my good friend. I hope life is treating you and your family well. I hope to see you back on GW and the superior thread one day.

Happy 21rst B-Day brother freelancer. What a cool day that is for most guy's and gal's, especially here in the states wear you can't really drink legally until your 21. Where the heck have you been dude?. lol

[Starbase]

At least we know the Romulans might let them through under heavy Warbird escort.

I doubt very seriously that the Romulans would do anything else other than to throw Janeway and crew in some far-off prison while the Tal-Shiar or Romulan military intelligence find new and exciting way's of extracting information from your shell of a body.

The Romulans would probably never even acknowledge that Voyager was seen, let alone captured, imprisoned or even destroyed. The only hope they would really have is if the Romulans used them as a bargaining chip to get something they dearly want.

Even in a situation - like there was during the Dominion War where the Romulans were actually our not so trusted allies - I could see the Romulan's completely doing something sinister while simultaneously finding pleasure in pissing off Starfleet and the Federation while they secretly captured or destroyed Voyager itself.

"Never trust or turn your back on a Romulan" - The Cardassian's ... The Klingon's ... The Federation ... The Vulcans ... The Tellorites ... The Andorian's ... The Ferengi ... The Dominion ... The Breen ... etc ... etc ... etc ... the list is far to long to type out.

[Krisz]

Happy Birthday Brother ./freelancer. We miss you around here my good friend. I hope life is treating you and your family well. I hope to see you back on GW and the superior thread one day.

....and a Happy Birthday from me too Freelancer!

[Saquist]

brother nx01a summed it what I was trying to say.

(salute)
Yessir.

I doubt very seriously that the Romulans would do anything else other than to throw Janeway and crew in some far-off prison while the Tal-Shiar or Romulan military intelligence find new and exciting way's of extracting information from your shell of a body.

The Romulans would probably never even acknowledge that Voyager was seen, let alone captured, imprisoned or even destroyed. The only hope they would really have is if the Romulans used them as a bargaining chip to get something they dearly want.

Even in a situation - like there was during the Dominion War where the Romulans were actually our not so trusted allies - I could see the Romulan's completely doing something sinister while simultaneously finding pleasure in pissing off Starfleet and the Federation while they secretly captured or destroyed Voyager itself.

"Never trust or turn your back on a Romulan" - The Cardassian's ... The Klingon's ... The Federation ... The Vulcans ... The Tellorites ... The Andorian's ... The Ferengi ... The Dominion ... The Breen ... etc ... etc ... etc ... the list is far to long to type out.

NIICE...I like that.
I think Voyager could cruise through the majority of the Star Empire with out even getting touched. Voyager could hold 9.6 indefinitely.

[Captain Obvious]

(salute) Voyager could hold 9.6 indefinitely.

actual cruising speed of 9.975, buuuuut....

The ship was designed for medium range tactical, scientific and support operations. It can only carry so much deuterium. considering the size of the RSE they wouldn't actually be able to get through it without refueling.

That and according to TOS ( most of which actually took place in the beta quadrant) there are many many planets that used to harbor life. Essentially, it is an archeologists dream, but really boring to travel through.

[knowles2]

So I with guest earth must be on the edge of the Alpha quandrant then because the Klingon home world is only a few days travel at warp 5 from it, which does beg the question why the Klingons never invaded.

As to Janeway whether she knew the Dominion, I do not think she did , she looked clueless an I square she said she did not know who the dominion was when the doc got back from his mission to the Prometheus and he said it was a long story when she asked .
But this could also be explain by starfleet simply classifying the dominion threat to maintain calm in the federation an put it on need to know basis. An Janeway did not need to know or did not have authorisation to tell the rest of her crew and that why she acted clueless and let the doctor explain that way she would not of been breaking order.

That does not explain tuvok simulation. But I guest that could just be the producers cutting costs and corners.

As to the RSE helping Voyage home, there is not a chance in hell of that happening, the only help they would be getting a disruptor blast or two ass.
I guest through that once they reach the outer edge of the RSE they could be with in range of communications with Starfleet and probably could spend the extra few months going around it or until the Federation negotiated passage for voyager.

Although if Janeway did know about the Dominion threat that could explain why she avoided the Gamma quadrant but then again I would rather take on the dominion than the Borg.

[Weyoun]

Although if Janeway did know about the Dominion threat that could explain why she avoided the Gamma quadrant but then again I would rather take on the dominion than the Borg.

I don't know about that one. I think your odds of survival, especially after the Dominion had declared war on the Alpha Quadrant, was better with the Borg. IMO you had a slightly better chance, but still not a good chance, of the Borg ignoring you to go after bigger fish. One thing for sure is, you were in a world of hurt no matter which poison you had to face.

It's an interesting debate, especially considering that the Borg and Dominion were fully aware of each other existence. They both occupied and or shared the same galaxy, yet they seemed to have left each other alone.

[DigiFluid]

It's an interesting debate, especially considering that the Borg and Dominion were fully aware of each other existence. They both occupied and or shared the same galaxy, yet they seemed to have left each other alone.

I don't recall that....when was that said?

[Saquist]

actual cruising speed of 9.975, buuuuut....

The ship was designed for medium range tactical, scientific and support operations. It can only carry so much deuterium. considering the size of the RSE they wouldn't actually be able to get through it without refueling.

That and according to TOS ( most of which actually took place in the beta quadrant) there are many many planets that used to harbor life. Essentially, it is an archeologists dream, but really boring to travel through.

Do we know how big Romulan territory is?
If I go by the map from the star charts it's one of the smallest territories.

[nx01a]

I don't recall that....when was that said?

I second the motion.

But this could also be explain by starfleet simply classifying the dominion threat to maintain calm in the federation an put it on need to know basis.

Janeway [as we've seen in 'Bride of Chaotica'] isn't that good an actress. She genuinely didn't know.

That does not explain tuvok simulation. But I guest that could just be the producers cutting costs and corners.

You mean Tom teaching Kes to pilot a shuttle using a simulation of Jem'hadar fighters?

As to the RSE helping Voyage home, there is not a chance in hell of that happening, the only help they would be getting a disruptor blast or two ass.
I guest through that once they reach the outer edge of the RSE they could be with in range of communications with Starfleet and probably could spend the extra few months going around it or until the Federation negotiated passage for voyager.

Still... The devil you know...

As for the 'Did Janeway/Voyager know about the Dominion threat' question...
'Caretaker' takes place on stardate 48315.6. 'The Jem'hadar' takes place on stardate unknown. 'The Search' takes place on stardate 48213.1. The closest DS9 episode to VOY's starting stardate is 'The Abandoned' with stardate 48301.1.
That far in, Voyager should have known the Dominion were a big threat in the Gamma Quad. How big? Not so sure at that point, but again, the devil you know.

[Alder]

I don't know about that one. I think your odds of survival, especially after the Dominion had declared war on the Alpha Quadrant, was better with the Borg. IMO you had a slightly better chance, but still not a good chance, of the Borg ignoring you to go after bigger fish. One thing for sure is, you were in a world of hurt no matter which poison you had to face.

It's an interesting debate, especially considering that the Borg and Dominion were fully aware of each other existence. They both occupied and or shared the same galaxy, yet they seemed to have left each other alone.

Hmmm, that's an interesting thought...
Would you be safer mucking up your ship and limping through Borg space looking as if you're not worth the effort to assimilate?

[knowles2]

Hmmm, that's an interesting thought...
Would you be safer mucking up your ship and limping through Borg space looking as if you're not worth the effort to assimilate?

From what we know of the Borg yes you would be. They did not even bother with the Kazon because they were so primitive. The collective did seem to go a bit loopy when they encounter a federation ship so may be they would just assimilate us anyway. For some reason they seem obsessed with humanity, perhaps its our ability to unite races which frightens them, we even manage to make peace an form the early beginnings of friendship with species 8472, an we start off with them wanted to purge our galaxy. Give us a few years in the Delta quadrant and we probably have the entire quadrant united against the borg.