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helen killed 'future' adam who'd traveled to the past. 'past' adam, teh one that found imogene dead in the streets could still be alive.. who knows how his future played out.'
so there could still be an adam worth. but it's the one from this timeline, not the one that went back in the pastComment
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No, 'past' Adam who found Imogene dead in the streets lived the subsequent 113 years (while 'future' Helen was on vacation) and then opened the time portal to go back to 1898 and 'past' Helen presumably went after him so 'future' Helen could take her place. Then their cycle begins again.
In my previous post I was talking about 'past' Adam and 'past' Helen. But RealmOfX pointed out either of the two Adams could have made the virtual Sanctuary before they went back in time... although I doubt he had the time or intention to do so, as his attention was focused on going back to save his daughter.Unmade Plans (WIP: 11/20):
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I`m just not thrilled about the concept no matter which Adam created it. It sounds like the token 90`s-early 00`s-era cheesy "trapped in video game" gimmick. Sanctuary is better than that.
And frankly I`m sick of Adam in any timeline. When they showed "Breach" in the "previously on" for Resistance, I groaned because I thought that meant Adam would be running the facility or something. They need to let this plotline die, figuratively if not literally.Comment
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I'm not sure about Adam. This adam didn't just blame helen for imogene's death. he specifically blamed Helen and Watson. And it wasn't as much for not curing Imogene. It was likely for Helen's - to him - callous attitude towards him when Imogene was kidnapped.
This adam likely has no need to go back and save Imogene (cure her) as much as revenge on Helen and WatsonComment
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If he hadn't gone back to the past to save Imogene then where did PastHelen (whose place FutureHelen took after 113 years) go?
FutureAdam already blamed Helen (and Watson) for not helping Imogene, because they couldn't cure and/or Helen refused to use her "blood experiments" on a child. Now PastAdam simply blamed them for not finding her sooner after she was kidnapped (by his future self).Unmade Plans (WIP: 11/20):
Sam's life takes a turn in an unexpected direction when she's faced with an unplanned pregnancy. The decision to keep the baby and raise it on her own will alter her life forever. Relationships are put to the test, especially the one between her and Jack. She doesn't know what to expect from him and he surprises her at every turn.
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Helen A went back to stop Adam A from saving Imogene and altering the past. Helen A killed Adam A after Adam A's reckless shot killed Imogene. Helen A hid while Adam B saw Imogene dead, with Helen B and Watson over her, blaming them for not finding Imogene before she was killed.
Helen A went into seclusion for 113 years while Adam B lived out some sort of life yet to be revealed.
We do not know if Adam B also hatched the go back in time plot that required Helen B to follow him. We can presume that but we don't know for sure. We don't know if Adam B also tried to hold London hostage, creating the FIve, and with all the other events we've seen in For King and Country. But it can mean that Adam B could have been around for the past century fulfilling his quest for vengeance, perhaps not only against Helen, but the Sanctuary as a whole.Comment
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I disagree because of the ending of Tempus, with Adam B blaming Helen B (and Watson) for not saving Imogene. He even did that scream-thing we know Adam A did when Imogene died and it's presumably the start of his split personality (Jekyll&Hyde). Both times he blamed Helen (and Watson) so it's very likely Adam B's life continued in a very similar fashion of Adam A's.
Also, where's Helen B in your post? She had to go back in time for Helen A to be able to take over and we know we're dealing with Helen A at the end of Uprising.
The Five had already been created when Adam A and Helen A went back in time, so there's a good chance they were still recruited by the Queen and everything went more or less the way it should have (otherwise the Sanctuary Network probably wouldn't exist).Unmade Plans (WIP: 11/20):
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we don't know where Helen B is (that could be part of the secret mission for all we know)
as to the five, they existed in one way. But in FK&C, the King said:
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so, Adam had to have been up to something to get the Sanctuary network its initial backing.Comment
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He blames them both the 1st time around too.Originally posted by Skydiver View Post
I agree with fems, the past Adam always needs to go back in time.Comment
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Wasn't it also Adam's device that caused the openings to the surface from Hollow Earth? So Adam B had to activate the device for the events in Uprising to take place... he might as well go through the portal to the past then!
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Sam's life takes a turn in an unexpected direction when she's faced with an unplanned pregnancy. The decision to keep the baby and raise it on her own will alter her life forever. Relationships are put to the test, especially the one between her and Jack. She doesn't know what to expect from him and he surprises her at every turn.
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i'd like to think it made a difference, but i'm not sure helen's long time-out is even going to have much of an impact on the storylines *or* her.Originally posted by fems View Postsally
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"Sanctuary for None" is a weird title for the last two episodes... it's a parallel of the first two episodes; perhaps further indication that they're wrapping up the story this season and are not confident about getting a renewal for S05?
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i've thought the same thing, 'only' b/c of that titleOriginally posted by Julian View Post
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