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Originally posted by escyos View PostThe show is called Defiance, its set there and spends most of its time there. Don't expect many shots of New York or Sulos.
But I'd be happy if they'd just back off Kenya for awhile and let us see more of (and about) the aliens.sigpic
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Originally posted by min min light View PostDefiance can have several meanings, it doesn't have to be strictly about the town.
But I'd be happy if they'd just back off Kenya for awhile and let us see more of (and about) the aliens.
I too would like to know more about the aliens, particularly the differences beyond physical appearance.I'VE GONE WIKI-MAD!!!!
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Hoping they expand on the world and a deeper understanding of the alien species. I can see how interest in the show can decline by season two.sigpic
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I've caught up...! I've watched all the episodes that I missed.
There was a scene in the last episode that made me laugh. They were talking about a certain franchise. And they all turned to Amanda for the answer..."What do you mean by 'Oopps'?"
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Originally posted by Starfist View PostI've caught up...! I've watched all the episodes that I missed.
There was a scene in the last episode that made me laugh. They were talking about a certain franchise. And they all turned to Amanda for the answer...Just because something is unknown, does not necessarily mean that it needs to be feared. Trust yourself, and the rest will unfold. ~Teyla Emmagen~
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Originally posted by escyos View PostTrue but Eureka wasn't about Area 51, Warehouse 13 is not about Warehouse 4 and Star Trek Voyager is not about the Enterprise.
I too would like to know more about the aliens, particularly the differences beyond physical appearance.
The premise was a central theme of the series. The premise of Defiance is arguably about society rebuilding itself after such a cataclysmic event as the Votan War. However we see no rebuilding, just personal relationships caught in the middle of an ambiguous (at best) struggle between unseen powers somehow (possibly) related to a secret plot propagated by seemingly secondary if not tertiary characters.
If you go towards the immigrant story aspect of the premise, it barely touches the issue. Where that issue would be more apparent (Say New York or Sulos) is nothing more than an invisible offscreen locality that we may never see.
To be honest, at this point I think it's too late. We won't see much more than a possible big reveal at the end of the season. Perhaps the second season can rectify these issues with the show. I'm afraid that if it keeps going at its current pace, a third season might either be the last one or might not happen at all.
Originally posted by Starfist View PostI've caught up...! I've watched all the episodes that I missed.
There was a scene in the last episode that made me laugh. They were talking about a certain franchise. And they all turned to Amanda for the answer...Originally posted by Stargate Atlantis Girl View PostThat was hilarious!
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They released a map which gives some more info on North America: http://www.defiance.com/en/series/wo...-2046/2046-map
also gives some info on the UK, France, Germany, Italy and Switzerland.I'VE GONE WIKI-MAD!!!!
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Originally posted by escyos View PostThey released a map which gives some more info on North America: http://www.defiance.com/en/series/wo...-2046/2046-map
also gives some info on the UK, France, Germany, Italy and Switzerland.
I want to like defiance, I really do, but it will not do it if it keeps going the way it does.sigpicALL THANKS TO THE WONDERFUL CREATOR OF THIS SIG GO TO R.I.G.A lie is just a truth that hasn't gone through conversion therapy yetThe truth isn't the truth
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Originally posted by Gatefan1976 View PostThe *problem* with it Escyos is that people don't want to have to search for this information, they want it integrated into the show. I could give you a laundry list of what is wrong with defiance, but they nearly *all* come back to the premise of not explaining things *in show*, or if they *are* explained in show, they seem like mere throwaway window dressing lines. The game, from what I gather is an action based game, and the show should reflect that. Instead, we get a show that wants to focus on the drama. Now, you could argue that it adds to the tapestry of the universe, and to an extent I could agree, but that will not help the show survive *in a viable fashion*. Quite frankly, Comcast could wipe the entire cost of the show as a marketing expense for the game, and I would buy that, but that simply does not make the show......... good.
I want to like defiance, I really do, but it will not do it if it keeps going the way it does.
We never learn about the fate of the rest (or most) of the world in Falling Skies or the Walking Dead yet they are good shows. Defiance is in that same category, yet people complain about the fact that more detailed information is available at the touch of a mouse.
It is a 40 minute show, the most you could get is a small mention, at least for now. Maybe in the future we will get episodes that take place in other towns and countries, but the show is called DEFIANCE and so it will remain in the town (for now at least).
EDIT: Its like someone saying "There is another piece of pie for you, 1 meter away" and you killing that person for not shoveling it into your mouth.Last edited by escyos; 20 June 2013, 01:22 AM.I'VE GONE WIKI-MAD!!!!
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Originally posted by escyos View PostMy father often complains when he hears news stories about things like kids in schools using iPads to read books and you know what I tell him - "If they don't do that then the kids never read". Same applies here, we're becoming more digital everyday and refusing to embrace that is why lots of shows fail. People always want more from their shows, Defiance offers that and more.
We never learn about the fate of the rest (or most) of the world in Falling Skies or the Walking Dead yet they are good shows.
Defiance is in that same category, yet people complain about the fact that more detailed information is available at the touch of a mouse.
It is a 40 minute show, the most you could get is a small mention, at least for now. Maybe in the future we will get episodes that take place in other towns and countries, but the show is called DEFIANCE and so it will remain in the town (for now at least).
Would they be better served by producing high quality 15 min webisodes every few days and letting the viewers/players have some limited input in where the story goes from there? It's hardly impossible, the WWE does it ALL the time by letting Twitter of all things determine what type of match is shown. THAT is transmedia, not 13 episodes "in the can" when the players cannot affect those 10 odd hours of show.
EDIT: Its like someone saying "There is another piece of pie for you, 1 meter away" and you killing that person for not shoveling it into your mouth.sigpicALL THANKS TO THE WONDERFUL CREATOR OF THIS SIG GO TO R.I.G.A lie is just a truth that hasn't gone through conversion therapy yetThe truth isn't the truth
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why, for decades, have other quality sci-fi shows been produced that did NOT require the viewer to search out the rest of the story? That's the dividing line for me here. I have gotten a very rich experience from Doctor Who, Stargate, all of the Treks, Babylon 5, heck, even BSG - without needing the crutch of additional information online. Defiance is missing the boat by not providing enough for the casual viewer to get them into the show in the first place.sigpic
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Originally posted by Girlbot View PostI made it half way thru the last episode. I tire of the alien hookum ceremonies.
Originally posted by Nolamom View Postwhy, for decades, have other quality sci-fi shows been produced that did NOT require the viewer to search out the rest of the story? That's the dividing line for me here. I have gotten a very rich experience from Doctor Who, Stargate, all of the Treks, Babylon 5, heck, even BSG - without needing the crutch of additional information online. Defiance is missing the boat by not providing enough for the casual viewer to get them into the show in the first place.
That's what Defiance should do. Then it could add extras, meaningful extras, after that. The viewers could live without the extras, and those who are into gaming and web surfing etc...could enjoy the show on a much higher level with the extras. The problem with Defiance is that it barely does anything like that. The extras online and in the game are actually the essential chunks of information that should be on the show, not extras that a viewer can go on with.
I applaud viewers that are satisfied with the setup...but at this point I am getting lost. It's now something for me to do on Monday nights when I don't feel like doing anything else...and that's bad. I really really hope it fixes these issues next season.
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