The Disquiet That Follows My Soul (412)

[LoneStar1836]

Why is that we dissect every little thing - case in point the water in the shower scene? (At least we didn't see Mom & Dad in the shower...)

I just took it at face value and didn't write anything into it. I would call it just a shot showing the ho-hum's of a so-called-life after a major let down in life. For the record, I did run across an interview with Moore where he indicated that the script was the last one written before the strike and as such there were no writers on set during filming. Its entirely probable that it was done as something of a pick-up, unscripted, spur of the moment idea by the production crew in the natural course of filming without realizing the possible continuity issue.

Well me too as that was the feeling it was supposed to convey, but I did think to myself "Hey that's a waste of water, Admiral!" And hot water to boot.

Okay not really as it will just be recycled by Galactica's water plant, but well they're floating around in space with not a whole heck of a lot of resources so conservation is your friend so stupid stuff like that crosses your mind when you watch the show.

[HAL2100]

Well me too as that was the feeling it was supposed to convey, but I did think to myself "Hey that's a waste of water, Admiral!" And hot water to boot.

Okay not really as it will just be recycled by Galactica's water plant, but well they're floating around in space with not a whole heck of a lot of resources so conservation is your friend so stupid stuff like that crosses your mind when you watch the show.

It might also be that after finding Earth such as it was that he just didn't give a frak about wasting water and decided that he was going to walk into an already hot shower as opposed to have to deal with the ever popular burst of cold from turning on the shower after you're in it.

Adama: Well, looks like we're all going to die anyways - either from starvation, killing ourselves or hunted down by Cavill - I think I've earned a nice, long hot shower. Maybe I'll make a pass at Rosalin later...

(Hmmm....I'm wondering if a Fun and Games thread poking fun at what all the humans are now thinking would be funny...)

[anotherquestion]

I would just like to add a comment (or three) about the political acuity the Adama has developed over time.

In this episode:

• He deftly avoided answering questions directly during the press conference without telling lies. Quite a contrast to his earlier efforts (after which he told Tigh "Remind me to never do that again").
• He responded directly and forcefully to Zarek's earliest threat immediately after the press conference, refusing to be intimidated and threatening reprisals of his own (which did not take long to realize).
• He realized the consequences of Zarek's ascendancy upon Rosyln's offer to resign, and gently opposed her taking that course of action.
• He successfully bluffed Zarek into submission by threatening to leak his collusion in corruption, without the slightest bit of evidence. This was an especially perceptive ploy which was well executed for a couple of reasons. First, simply guessing that Zarek was involved in shady dealings, and, secondly, counting on Zarek to believe he had long been a target of an ongoing military investigation.
• Adama rightly separated the military concerns from the political (Jump drive upgrades should be in the domain of a military decision, in this case). Compelling the upgrade by force was not an unreasonable position, given the dire circumstances. Unfortunately, Adama (and son) had not mastered the oratorical skills to make this military necessity palatable to the Quorum (once again leading to the question of whether or not a democracy is the best way for a declining civilization to organize itself in time of extreme crisis).
• The admiral gave weight and credence the the Cylon demands for full participatory citizenship. This is particularly farsighted and compassionate, particularly given some of Adama's previous positions (the Tillium ship strike comes to mind). The rebel Cylons do face retaliation from the "Brother Cavil" led faction, but who knows how eager either side is to initiate a protracted conflict now that resurrection is out of the picture.

I think it has been fascinating to watch the push and pull of influence exerted by Adama, Tigh, Rosyln, Zarek, Baltar, and Apollo over each other and the rest of the Colonials during the course of the series. No one has been right all the time. When left to a vote, the people themselves have not chosen the wisest leader (Baltar on New Caprica), Zarek as VP.

Tigh (after Adama's attempted assassination) and Cain's draconian measures led to chaos and near disaster. Apollo's short term at the Presidency led to the first Cylon alliance that ended up revealing the diminished Earth (which, arguably, would have been better left undiscovered).

Zarek may seem an easy target of scorn, but he has been out of the loop for a lot of the main developments within the fleet lately. It would be interesting to know his role in the New Caprica occupation, too, assuming he was a part of the resistance effort.

[Dusk]

Some wonderful character moments in this episode, and quality writing too. These events clearly take part after the "Face of the Enemy" Webisodes, as it was likely Gaeta's screw over by the 8 model that caused him to snap. I hope he goes down hard and fast. Kara's sharp remarks were priceless. And Baltar's turnaround comes as somewhat of a surprise, though the cult's sudden change of belief well reflects the typical 'follow the leader' approach by people.

The Quorum are 12 types of useless, indeed. Let's hope that when Cavill shows up a stray missile pierces Colonial One and rids us all of their ineptitude.

Who was the guy under heavy guard being escorted past Adama at around 18:20? It looked mildly significant.

[Mongoletsi]

I regard to babies. I'm thinking that Tigh and #6's baby will be a boy and named Zeus. He along with Hera will be the progenitors of all. They will be the Adam & Eve of the next cycle of life.

A pair of animals isn't enough to do that. Apparently, you'd need a mixed pool of about 50,000 homo sapiens in order to have a stable enough gene pool for the continuation of our species.

Unless you believe certain fairy tales

Hera will be sister in the sense that she will be raised by common parents (Baltar & #6) in a new beginning, perhaps on Kobol "the birthplace of us all".

I really don't imagine them going back to Kobol, unless the Cavil-led faction is dealt with. To be fair, I have no idea how the Cavilistas could possibly find The Fleet & Friend, or vice-versa; unless the Hybrids get involved.

What do you mean "common parents"? Do you mean Human & Cylon? That doesn't really make Hera & "Zeus" siblings. Or am I missing something?

[Mongoletsi]

that's a Wikia. I don't trust this site a word and I've seen this theory before on some other forums.

Quite true but it does answer a great many things...have to at least given them some credit for plausibility.

After about 5 seconds of reading that link, I realised it to be the work of Fan Fic. Absolute rubbish, pure and simple.

Yes, it's plausible, in the sense that it wraps everything up and tells a nice story. But so does The Holy Bible and I personally don't find that particular book to be even slightly plausible.

That article doesn't fit with any of the mythology revealed so far in the show, nor anything TPTB have commented on.

Just Say No.

[Mongoletsi]

I did notice a major plothole. Wouldn't Gaeta, along with the rest of the fleet, know about Anders' past? I mean, he was the leader of the Resistance. So was Tigh and Tyrol. I understand why they wrote it that way, but Kara should have spoke out about Anders sacrifice for humanity back on Caprica/New Caprica. I would have also attacked Gaeta about his assistance to Gaius Baltar, and said that he did too little. Embarrass him to prevent an insurrection.

I pondered that too. Gaeta would surely have known how vehmently anti-Cylon Tigh, Tyrol, Anders, and Foster were, and stuff like Tigh killing his missus for collaboration.

That to me is a big plot hole. Gaeta seems perfectly okay with Athena.

I guess he's just a bit frakked up.

[Pic]

Gaeta seems perfectly okay with Athena.

I wouldn't be so sure. This may no longer be the case.



Also, I'm sure this has probably been mentioned and I've just lost the thread, but is anyone else wondering if perhaps the Admiral is the dying leader and not Laura? Or Lee (he seems to be emerging as a leader, especially since Baltar's trial)

Right now, Lee seems to be the only one maintaining any kind of sanity. Which means, of course, he'll probably crack next episode (and that's not spoilery as I really have no frakkin' clue & don't even watch trailers).

Also, Starbuck was going to tell Lee that she found herself & torched the evidence but didn't tell him because he mentioned Dee. So Lee doesn't know anything about that. Is that right?

[Mongoletsi]

Yeah I've been thinking about that. But wasn't the Dying Leader meant to lead them to The Promised Land. Nothing in the prophecy detailed what state the promised land would be in

[Skydiver]

the possibility of adama being the dying leader has occured to many people, especially after the obvious pill popping of this episode
and, the shot of him and 'mom' dying or stayig behind to die as the kids explore the promised land...is something i'd see this show doing

[huntress]

the possibility of adama being the dying leader has occured to many people, especially after the obvious pill popping of this episode
and, the shot of him and 'mom' dying or stayig behind to die as the kids explore the promised land...is something i'd see this show doing

:nods: I can totally see that and I would welcome such an ending. Also Bill has stated that Laura is his all - the one person he can't live without. I actually think it would be a sort of happy end for him if he followed her. After her death there will be precious little for him to hang on to. Lee has his own life and has become a capable politician. i liked him as the interim president and I wouldn't be surprised if he took over the "family business" after mom and pop are gone.

[Skydiver]

i seem to recall Moses, after doubting the spring, was told by god that he couldn't ever enter the promised land...so when they got there, he and his wife stayed outside, watched hte rest of the people go in, and were content.

their job was done and their mission accomplished and they didn't NEED to actually set foot in the promised land. it was good enough to be there and know that hte kids were safe and then they were ready to die

I'm seeing the same type of thing happening to adama and roslyn

[L-S]

Was it a cheap and easy fix to not having to deal with Nick as a hybrid? Sure.

Thanks for re-making my point so succinctly!

[L-S]

My biggest issues are Adama illness and Hotdog fatherhood. They just come out of left field and while if they had planned out the show better rather than the "organic" writing Ron Moore loves so much you could have set these things up and they wouldn't feel so random.

Right, it's an ad hoc solution. Moore says as much in his interview, which is posted somewhere on this thread... (Look in my posts, I cite it, or google for the episode title, and 'moore, interview').

What happened with poor Cally and her Cylon husband (but not father of her child??!!) came out of a two-fold process:

1. Organic development of 'the final five' as replicant/cylons being 'in the fleet.'

2. An unnecessarily slavish devotion to a very early idea about 'the chosen one' or golden child - a wildly boring and over-cooked idea, and if we're tracing mythology (either world myth or BSG myth), just not necessary.

The idea that there was one special child came about by peering into Baltar's head.

It's not stretch to say that what Baltar thought he knew was not the whole story or truth.

It's much more of a stretch - in fact, it breaks - to say that Cally got pregnant After she started a relationship with the Chief, but that she, according to Moore, was not 'cheating', and was not involved with the man that she was clearly in love with and involved with.

So, yup, total crap, and unnecessary, especially among such immensely interesting ideas, writing, shooting, editing, theater and performance as the show puts forward regularly.

[L-S]

In regard to babies. I'm thinking that Tigh and #6's baby will be a boy and named Zeus. He along with Hera will be the progenitors of all. They will be the Adam & Eve of the next cycle of life.

In Exodus pt1, an oracle tells a #3 that Hera was "wife and sister" of Zeus.

Hera will be sister in the sense that she will be raised by common parents (Baltar & #6) in a new beginning, perhaps on Kobol "the birthplace of us all".

That's clever. That's 'eternal return' stuff. Mircea Eliade, Nietzsche, all Hindu philosophy - the endless cycle - the Indian (Vedic?) texts - (universes live, die, are reborn, and on).

(Interesting link)

Sort of a neat idea. Very confrontational, with present Theisms, of course.

i seem to recall Moses, after doubting the spring, was told by god that he couldn't ever enter the promised land...so when they got there, he and his wife stayed outside, watched hte rest of the people go in, and were content.

Oh, that Old Testament God, so capricious...so personally involved...

Well, as long as Moses and wife were content, as you say.

The FLOOD stories track through all Indo-European cultures, in various incarnations and inflections. A Google search will give more...