calfornia cecceding from u.s.

[Gatefan1976]

Us minority control the majority of your food especially when you factor in Trump's antitrade

California actually supplies a hell of a lot of US foodstuffs. Yet another reason why California could successfully secede

[Gatefan1976]

I thought you'd be happy about that, you know, let the majority rule and avoid tyranny of the minority (the minority in this case being rural people).

We have already established that Annoyed does not really care about majority and minority, it's his way or no way.

[jelgate]

California actually supplies a hell of a lot of US foodstuffs. Yet another reason why California could successfully secede

Annoyed can't see beyond politics.

[Gatefan1976]

You mean HIS politics.

[jelgate]

The two are related

[Gatefan1976]

related, sure.

[jelgate]

Jelgate is always sure

[Gatefan1976]

So you are like annoyed?

[Gatefan1976]

I would say you're wrong, with a caveat. At the state level this is somewhat true but with respect to national elections, the rather-outdated electoral college cheats people out of their representation by disproportionately awarding votes to states with lower populations...

Yup, A point I made in the general politics thread

"Each vote cast in Wyoming is worth 3.6 as much as the same vote cast in California. How can that be, you might ask? It’s easy to see, when you do the math. Although Wyoming had a population in the last census of only 563,767, it gets 3 votes in the Electoral College based on its two Senators and one Congressman. California has 55 electoral votes. That sounds like a lot more, but it isn’t when you consider the size of the state. The population of California in the last census was 37,254,503, and that means that the electoral votes per capita in California are a lot less. To put it another way, the three electors in Wyoming represent an average of 187,923 residents each. The 55 electors in California represent an average of 677,355 each, and that’s a disparity of 3.6 to 1."

Yup, and IIRC, that disparity has it's roots in the way the EC was originally designed.

I'm am ex-Republican of 20+ years and a veteran of Operation: Desert Storm

Welcome to the madhouse

[jelgate]

So you are like annoyed?

I can see beyond the us vs them mentality

[Gatefan1976]

But he is always sure............

[jelgate]

But he is always wrong. That difference is important

[photoglyph]

The reason that system is in place can be seen in many places throughout the country.

Larger urban areas often control a state's politics. There are nascent movements afoot in several states to forcibly separate the larger urban areas, NYC for example, or Denver into their own separate states. The rest of the people in the state are tired of the state being ruled by the densely populated areas, with their vote counting little or nothing.

The EC system counters that effect to some degree.

In Missouri, while more densely-populated urban centers frequently play an out-sized role in national elections, the obverse tends to be true in state-level politics; with the more rural/conservative members of state government holding sway over bills/funding, irrespective of the fact that the aforementioned urban (and more liberal) areas contribute the lion's share of the state's revenue.

[photoglyph]

Addendum: With the most recent presidential election, we had rural types in various states complaining about not having the representation that urban dwellers had; this is false owing to the mechanics of the electoral college.

[The Flyattractor]

Isn't that the main purpose of the EC? To keep the big city ******s from pushing the rural folk around?