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Originally posted by Coco Pops View PostFair enough.... But then where do you draw the line?
Should we ban fashion models next or cheerleaders?
American Football wouldn't be the same.
Fashion models similarly have a purpose, namely to show off the clothes.
Pit girls though, have no real purpose in racing sport. They don't exist to fill scheduling holes, but purely to look pretty next to a car.
I'm not saying it's bad or good, but from what i've understood F1 suffers from a relevance problem and so anything that makes it focus on resolving that is a good thing.
Originally posted by Annoyed View PostBeing physically fit does not necessarily mean "hottie".
Originally posted by Annoyed View PostWhy havn't we seen the same sort of thing for cheerleaders?
Or perhaps the cheerleaders have better lawyers.Last edited by thekillman; 02 February 2018, 09:29 AM.
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Originally posted by Annoyed View PostBeing physically fit does not necessarily mean "hottie".Heightmeyer's Lemming -- still the coolest Lemming of the forum
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Originally posted by Falcon Horus View PostThat depends on the point of view of the onlooker.
How often do you see a cheerleader "with a face only a mother could love" to use a common term for an unattractive female?
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Originally posted by Falcon Horus View Post
The unhealthy-looking skinny ones -- yes, immediately.
The life of fashion models may look glamerous, but boy... it's hard work.
Or your ... what's that league called.. the one where half naked women play american football... And gosh, men are such woosies if you see how little those women wear.
Oh I totally agree with you......
I have known a few models over the years and they do lead a very non healthy life if they work for an agency. They're not so much told to lose the weight and be skin and bones or lose well paid gigs.. More curvy models did try and make an appearance with normal looking women who were not skin and bones but the agencies don't really want to deal with that. They prefer skin and bones.
What league? Did you mean beach volleyball?Go home aliens, go home!!!!
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Originally posted by Annoyed View PostTrue, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. But you see very few if any cheerleaders whose facial features, body types and so forth are outside the range of what is considered attractive by most of the population.
How often do you see a cheerleader "with a face only a mother could love" to use a common term for an unattractive female?If Algeria introduced a resolution declaring that the earth was flat and that Israel had flattened it, it would pass by a vote of 164 to 13 with 26 abstentions.- Abba Eban.
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Originally posted by Gatefan1976 View PostI've been stewing over this most of the day.
On one hand, it -is- sexist selling techniques, something to draw the eye and no more.
On the other hand, some of these girls have gone on to be models, or used the social network of racing to get better jobs where their mental talents can be appreciated as well, so the job has served them well.
Which is the lesser of two evils here? Exploitation by others for them, or exploitation by yourself -for- yourself?
I see nothing offensive in the grid girls, but nor are they a necessary component of car racing experience. If F1 has determined that the marketing usefulness of employing grid girls has diminished, it's okay to drop the practice.If Algeria introduced a resolution declaring that the earth was flat and that Israel had flattened it, it would pass by a vote of 164 to 13 with 26 abstentions.- Abba Eban.
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Originally posted by Womble View PostThis is an odd defense. Some Thai prostitutes manage to marry a foreign man and drag their families out of poverty; is that sufficient grounds to approve the prostitution industry?
So in a sense, yea removing pitgirls removes a job opportunity for a certain demographic, and it may be a sad loss. But if it's not working, then why continue? For the male gaze? a few words in google and you can gaze all you want. Sex doesn't really sell anymore with an oversaturated online sex market.
Originally posted by Womble View PostI see nothing offensive in the grid girls, but nor are they a necessary component of car racing experience. If F1 has determined that the marketing usefulness of employing grid girls has diminished, it's okay to drop the practice.
In that sense, F1 has to reinvent itself. And if that means sharpening it's experience to a more core values thing, or altering the marketing nature of it, then it's fine to axe such practices.
I mean, sure they could try pitboys to draw in a female audience, but i think that would drive away more male viewers than bring in female viewers.
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I think you guys are missing the point of what I'm bellyaching about.
We have equal opportunity/rights movements & advocates for blacks, women, gay/lesbian/etc., handicapped (mental and physical) and numerous other groups.
Why don't we have similar for ugly people? How many ugly girls want to be cheerleaders, models and so forth but don't have a chance because of societal discrimination against ugly people?
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Originally posted by Womble View PostThis is an odd defense. Some Thai prostitutes manage to marry a foreign man and drag their families out of poverty; is that sufficient grounds to approve the prostitution industry?
It's a question, and one -many- industries work on. People work in sales because they are -good- at sales, and companies pimp out that ability to make money, and people prostitute themselves to make money because of it.
If you are going to reduce it to a pimp/prostitute level, we are all ho's for work.
I see nothing offensive in the grid girls, but nor are they a necessary component of car racing experience. If F1 has determined that the marketing usefulness of employing grid girls has diminished, it's okay to drop the practice.
I'm not really advocating or defending either view specifically.sigpicALL THANKS TO THE WONDERFUL CREATOR OF THIS SIG GO TO R.I.G.A lie is just a truth that hasn't gone through conversion therapy yetThe truth isn't the truth
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Originally posted by Annoyed View PostI think you guys are missing the point of what I'm bellyaching about.
We have equal opportunity/rights movements & advocates for blacks, women, gay/lesbian/etc., handicapped (mental and physical) and numerous other groups.
Why don't we have similar for ugly people? How many ugly girls want to be cheerleaders, models and so forth but don't have a chance because of societal discrimination against ugly people?
Does not mean they haven't, just you have never noticed it.sigpicALL THANKS TO THE WONDERFUL CREATOR OF THIS SIG GO TO R.I.G.A lie is just a truth that hasn't gone through conversion therapy yetThe truth isn't the truth
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Originally posted by Annoyed View PostHas anyone taken it up? I don't recall seeing any marches, protests, legislation or any of the other usual trappings.
Are you looking for a specialist group?sigpicALL THANKS TO THE WONDERFUL CREATOR OF THIS SIG GO TO R.I.G.A lie is just a truth that hasn't gone through conversion therapy yetThe truth isn't the truth
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No, I'm just asking a very difficult question. I don't think you can deny that being ugly or just not being a "hottie" is a decided disadvantage in many career fields, and far more so for women than men. They are being discriminated against in employment among other things.
Why is that discrimination ok; no body is protesting about it or demanding change?
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