Discussion about hot topics trending today

[SoulReaver]

the NRA also supported W yet he was the one to sign the partial ban on assault weapons

[Gatefan1976]

W had multiple vectors for support, trump is rapidly running out of them.

[SoulReaver]

do supports even matter
the LSOS won so he keeps the white throne for at least the next 4 years no matter who likes/supports him & how low his approval ratings

[Gatefan1976]

given the failure of his plans so far, yes, support matters
He might keep the throne, but he will do nothing with it.

[Annoyed]

Sure you can.
I have the right to demand you give birth, I have no responsibility afterwards however because it was your choice to get pregnant.

Well, you're making progress anyway. The second half is right on the money, but the first part needs work.
It should be "You don't have the right to commit murder."

So put it together and you have:

"You don't have the right to commit murder, and the child is your responsibility because you chose to become pregnant."

[SoulReaver]

"You don't have the right to commit murder

cept if you're godvernment of course"

[garhkal]

Yeah, cause who thinks about strategically getting the hell out of dodge anyway...

If on the street, sure you should first think of fleeing, but if you are in your own home, why should you flee?

Can't stop what will happen one way or another, but you can make it a whole lot harder.

Try telling that to all those killed in Chicago, or DC, or Detroit, or any of the other BIG GUN restriction cities, yet still have some of the highest death tolls around.

Just look at the statistics dude, the US already has more than 10K gundeaths this year alone -- and the year ain't over yet.

And if you note, WHERE are most of those deaths coming from. DEMOCRAT held/ran cities with TOUGH supposed gun control laws..

But warning shots really don't need many rounds.

I know in some states/cities, its illegal to fire 'warning shots'..

[Annoyed]

If on the street, sure you should first think of fleeing, but if you are in your own home, why should you flee?

Try telling that to all those killed in Chicago, or DC, or Detroit, or any of the other BIG GUN restriction cities, yet still have some of the highest death tolls around.

And if you note, WHERE are most of those deaths coming from. DEMOCRAT held/ran cities with TOUGH supposed gun control laws..

Isn't that funny.. the places where gun control is the strictest have some of the highest murder rates in the country.
They just don't seem to understand that the criminals don't care if they're breaking the gun laws.

Sometimes I think the strident anti-gun people are just trying to be sure the criminal has as good a chance of walking away with the loot as the legitimate owner does. Sort of like the pass reception rules in the NFL; the defending player trying to intercept the pass has just as much right to the ball as the intended receiver.

[Annoyed]

You want evidence that this white guy is part of a subset of the white population that is known for say...running people over with a car or shooting up a church before calling it terrorism. But you don't want to wait to see if a Muslim is part of a subset of Muslims before calling it terrorism? Isn't that a double standard?

How many Catholics, Protestants, Mormons, Presbyterians or whatever have been going around blowing things up or going on shooting sprees as of late? How many Muslims?

Problem is that that particular religion has a big reputation problem, brought on by their own members. Just as many people assumed that any Mormon was a polygamist for a long time after the church disavowed the practice, largely due to offshoot groups continuing the practice after the main church stopped it.

Is it fair? Of course not. But life isn't fair.

If you're walking outside, and you see that you're going to cross paths with a skunk, what do you do? Give it a wide berth and avoid contact, right? Of course you are, even though it's possible the skunk may not spray you or may not even be capable of spraying you. You're going to be smart about it and assume it will, right?

[Falcon Horus]

"You don't have the right to commit murder, and the child is your responsibility because you chose to become pregnant."

You need to make one for rape too -- this one doesn't fit.

If on the street, sure you should first think of fleeing, but if you are in your own home, why should you flee?

Cause broken windows can be fixed, but you only get one life.

Try telling that to all those killed in Chicago, or DC, or Detroit, or any of the other BIG GUN restriction cities, yet still have some of the highest death tolls around.

The funny thing is that strict restrictions do work -- most countries which have strict regulations proof that point quite well.

I know in some states/cities, its illegal to fire 'warning shots'..

Into the ground, so bullets don't stray.

How many Catholics, Protestants, Mormons, Presbyterians or whatever have been going around blowing things up or going on shooting sprees as of late? How many Muslims?

Err...

Domestic Terroris in the US:



And also:

Sunday night, a 64-year-old white man from Nevada opened fire on a crowd of more than 22,000 people at a country music festival in Las Vegas, killing more than 50 and wounding more than 200.

In August, a 20-year-old white Nazi sympathizer from Ohio sped his car into a crowd of anti-racist protesters in Charlottesville, Virginia, killing a woman and injuring at least 19 others.

In June, a 66-year-old white man from Illinois shot at Republican Congress members during an early morning baseball practice, severely wounding several people including Rep. Steve Scalise of Louisiana, the House of Representatives Majority Whip.

In March 2017, a 28-year-old white man from Baltimore traveled to New York City with the explicit aim of killing black men. He stabbed 66-year-old Timothy Caughman to death and was charged with terrorism by New York state authorities.

In May, a 35-year-old white man from Oregon named Jeremy Joseph Christian began harassing Muslim teenagers on a train in Portland, telling them “We need Americans here!” Two men interceded; Christian then stabbed and killed them both.

And also:

Number of mass shootings in the United States between 1982 and 2017, by mass shooter's race and ethnicity

And an opinion piece to finish with:

‘Lone wolf’: Our stunning double standard when it comes to race and religion

[Gatefan1976]

Isn't that funny.. the places where gun control is the strictest have some of the highest murder rates in the country.

Isn't it funny that the places with the strictest gun laws are surrounded by states that have some of the laxest gun laws. No one would think of crossing a porous border to get a gun.............

They just don't seem to understand that the criminals don't care if they're breaking the gun laws.

They just don't seem to understand that if no one has access to them, the criminals don't either.......

Sometimes I think the strident anti-gun people are just trying to be sure the criminal has as good a chance of walking away with the loot as the legitimate owner does. Sort of like the pass reception rules in the NFL; the defending player trying to intercept the pass has just as much right to the ball as the intended receiver.

Walking away (or at least surviving) sure, with the loot, not at all.

But what would a conservative judge, a constitutionalist say?

Or, for more:
https://www.brennancenter.org/analys...cond-amendment

[garhkal]

They just don't seem to understand that if no one has access to them, the criminals don't either.......

Tell that to all the crooks who legally can't get a gun, so buy them off the black market.

[Annoyed]

Tell that to all the crooks who legally can't get a gun, so buy them off the black market.

They think the black market will magically vanish if guns are outlawed. You and I both know that doesn't have a chance in hell of happening. If they can't get them domestically, they will import from other countries. After all, our borders are swiss cheese.

[aretood2]

But since you are not even a US citizen, who are you to dictate how much ammo a US citizn should be allowed to have in his gun?

Is this your favorite cop out?

I'm having trouble following your line of thought.

You're not a alone there...

How many Catholics, Protestants, Mormons, Presbyterians or whatever have been going around blowing things up or going on shooting sprees as of late? How many Muslims?

I think FH did a wonderful job answering that question.

Problem is that that particular religion has a big reputation problem, brought on by their own members. Just as many people assumed that any Mormon was a polygamist for a long time after the church disavowed the practice, largely due to offshoot groups continuing the practice after the main church stopped it.

Is it fair? Of course not. But life isn't fair.

Black people also had a reputation for being dumber, lazier, and more rapey. Doesn't mean it was true.


Now to be fair, there is a disproportionate amount of violence coming from Muslims...considering just how few of them there are here. But the more you alienate a people, the more they snug themselves into the categories you put them in. Take the Catalan independence thing. There was a large population in France too, but they ended up integrating. They didn't integrate in Spain because the fascist government at the time tried to force it, vilifying Catalonian culture. Instead of that working, it back fired (Just like British treatment of the 13 colonies here). France has no Catalonian separatists, but Spain does.

If you're walking outside, and you see that you're going to cross paths with a skunk, what do you do? Give it a wide berth and avoid contact, right? Of course you are, even though it's possible the skunk may not spray you or may not even be capable of spraying you. You're going to be smart about it and assume it will, right?

By this logic, that means we should treat all white boys in schools with disdain,
suspicion and require them to jump through extra hoops to prove themselves...considering their reputation for shooting up schools.

[SoulReaver]

After all, our borders are swiss cheese.

and your new wall will be 100% american cheese?

But what would a conservative judge, a constitutionalist say?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eya_k4P-iEo

goes to show the whole gun debate is not a left vs right thing (no more than the glbtq)

dunno why in that country the antis ended up on the left & the pros on the right
was it always so? (after the 2 parties pole flip I mean)