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[jelgate]

So what do You call it if somone's not conservative??

I am not. I have stated multiple times how I loathe both sides. I don't lump all Trump haters as pro-Democrats like you seem to do

[Gatefan1976]

I am not. I have stated multiple times how I loathe both sides. I don't lump all Trump haters as pro-Democrats like you seem to do

I was certainly not pro Hillary for starters. Trump is just a dangerous demagogic man-child and the thought of him as the next POTUS gives me grave concerns, grave enough to think Hillary was a better choice.

[Falcon Horus]

Stop being such an idiot. Lord Trump is the messiah and he can do no wrong.

In the great Lord we trust.

Do I need to ask for forgiveness, or will I burn in hell anyway for questioning his sanity?

When for the most part it SEEMS like the liberals are the party OF 'us vs them'; whether its rich vs poor, white, vs every other ethnicity (Especially black), male vs woman, cops vs civilians, legal vs illegal.. OF COURSE we are stuck.

Please, do remind me again who's so adament about taking people's rights away?

So what do You call it if somone's not conservative??

Conservative
adj.
1. Favoring traditional views and values; tending to oppose change.
2. Moderate; cautious: a conservative estimate.
3a. Of or relating to the political philosophy of conservatism.
3b. Belonging to a conservative party, group, or movement.

n.
1. One favoring traditional views and values.
2. A supporter of political conservatism.
3. Conservative A member or supporter of a Conservative political party.

Progressive
adj.
1. favoring or advocating progress, change, improvement, or reform, as opposed to wishing to maintain things as they are, especially in political matters:
2. making progress toward better conditions; employing or advocating more enlightened or liberal ideas, new or experimental methods, etc.:
3. characterized by such progress, or by continuous improvement.
4. (initial capital letter) of or relating to any of the Progressive parties in politics.

n.
1. a person who is progressive or who favors progress or reform, especially in political matters.
2. (initial capital letter) a member of a Progressive party.

Liberal
adj.
1. favorable to progress or reform, as in political or religious affairs.
2. (often initial capital letter) noting or pertaining to a political party advocating measures of progressive political reform.
3. of, pertaining to, based on, or advocating liberalism, especially the freedom of the individual and governmental guarantees of individual rights and liberties.
4. favorable to or in accord with concepts of maximum individual freedom possible, especially as guaranteed by law and secured by governmental protection of civil liberties.
5. favoring or permitting freedom of action, especially with respect to matters of personal belief or expression:
6. of or relating to representational forms of government rather than aristocracies and monarchies.
7. free from prejudice or bigotry; tolerant:

n.
1. a person of liberal principles or views, especially in politics or religion.
2. (often initial capital letter) a member of a liberal party in politics

[aretood2]

What ever happened to classical liberals?

[Gatefan1976]

What ever happened to classical liberals?

Don't they call them Neo-liberals now?

[aretood2]

Don't they call them Neo-liberals now?

Are they faithful to Classical Liberal viewpoints or do they cherry pick like US libertarians?

[Falcon Horus]

Classical liberalism is a political ideology and a branch of liberalism which advocates civil liberties and political freedom with representative democracy under the rule of law and emphasizes economic freedoms found in economic liberalism which is also called free market capitalism.

It was first called that in the early 19th century, but was built on ideas of the previous century. It was a response to urbanization, and to the Industrial Revolution in Europe and the United States.
Notable individuals whose ideas contributed to classical liberalism include John Locke, Thomas Jefferson, Jean-Baptiste Say, Thomas Malthus, and David Ricardo. It drew on the economics of Adam Smith and on a belief in natural law, utilitarianism, and progress.

Meaning of the term:
The term classical liberalism was applied in retrospect to distinguish earlier 19th-century liberalism from the newer social liberalism. The phrase classical liberalism is also sometimes used to refer to all forms of liberalism before the 20th century, and some conservatives and libertarians use the term classical liberalism to describe their belief in the primacy of individual freedom and minimal government. It is not always clear which meaning is intended.

Source: Wikipedia - Classical Liberalism

[Gatefan1976]

Are they faithful to Classical Liberal viewpoints or do they cherry pick like US libertarians?

Dunno mate, some may, some may not.

[Annoyed]

You're talking about the eligible to vote population? Oh yeah, those people >.>

On that subject, I would be fine with a mandatory voting law as long as they have an option to abstain for each item in the ballot.

Although I don't like the mandatory bit, I would go along with that. Abstention must remain a choice.

[Annoyed]

Your definitions of liberal aren't quite right.

Conservative
adj.
1. Favoring traditional views and values; tending to oppose change.
2. Moderate; cautious: a conservative estimate.
3a. Of or relating to the political philosophy of conservatism.
3b. Belonging to a conservative party, group, or movement.

n.
1. One favoring traditional views and values.
2. A supporter of political conservatism.
3. Conservative A member or supporter of a Conservative political party.

Progressive
adj.
1. favoring or advocating progress, change, improvement, or reform, as opposed to wishing to maintain things as they are, especially in political matters:
2. making progress toward better conditions; employing or advocating more enlightened or liberal ideas, new or experimental methods, etc.:
Better for who? And "Enlightened" according to who?
3. characterized by such progress, or by continuous improvement.
4. (initial capital letter) of or relating to any of the Progressive parties in politics.

n.
1. a person who is progressive or who favors progress or reform, especially in political matters.
2. (initial capital letter) a member of a Progressive party.

Liberal
adj.
1. favorable to progress or reform, as in political or religious affairs.
2. (often initial capital letter) noting or pertaining to a political party advocating measures of progressive political reform.
3. of, pertaining to, based on, or advocating liberalism, especially the freedom of the individual and governmental guarantees of individual rights and liberties
On some issues, but on others such as the right to own firearms, not so much.
4. favorable to or in accord with concepts of maximum individual freedom possible, especially as guaranteed by law and secured by governmental protection of civil liberties.
5. favoring or permitting freedom of action, especially with respect to matters of personal belief or expression:
6. of or relating to representational forms of government rather than aristocracies and monarchies.
7. free from prejudice or bigotry; tolerant:
As long as you don't disagree. If you don't agree with them, liberals are notoriously intolerant.
n.
1. a person of liberal principles or views, especially in politics or religion.
2. (often initial capital letter) a member of a liberal party in politics

[Annoyed]

And, speaking of that famed liberal tolerance...

Pennsylvania electors will have police protection at vote

Seems some presumed lefties are making death threats to get electors to turn.

Electors in Pennsylvania will have police protection as they cast their ballots on Monday, The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette reported.

One Pennsylvania elector, Ash Khare, told the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette that he receives thousands of emails a day trying to sway his vote.

“I’m a big boy. But this is stupid,” Khare told the Post-Gazette. “Nobody is standing up and telling these people, ‘Enough, knock it off.’”

The messages have escalated to death threats, and so the 20 electors will have state troopers escorting them to cast their votes Monday.

GOP electors have been under pressure over the past month from anti-Trump groups to not vote for President-elect Donald Trump.

Pennsylvania allows its electors to vote for someone other than the candidate who won the state.

One GOP elector in Michigan has received death threats as well.

Trump won 306 electoral votes on Election Day, crossing the 270 electoral vote threshold needed to clinch the presidency and surpassing Hillary Clinton’s 232 electoral votes. Monday’s results are expected to match those figures almost exactly.

But thousands are expected to protest across the country as part of a long-shot effort to convince 37 GOP electors to cast their ballots for someone other than Trump.

While the frantic push to exert pressure on the Republican electors isn’t expected to change the outcome of Monday's vote, it has put the Electoral College under a rare spotlight.

[Gatefan1976]

https://www.google.com.au/#q=death+t...ump+supporters

So, Liberals have to be tolerant, play fair and not respond to anything Republicans do eh?

[garhkal]

And, speaking of that famed liberal tolerance...

Pennsylvania electors will have police protection at vote

Seems some presumed lefties are making death threats to get electors to turn.

I wonder. Has anyone in office, asked the FBI or other agencies to LOOK into all those death threats?

[Gatefan1976]

Not that I am aware of, though Rush and Alex Jones have been on about it.

[Falcon Horus]

Your definitions of liberal aren't quite right.

They are from a dictionary -- you should try opening one sometimes.